One *important* point to remember is that Yahoo Group guidelines are
*suggestions* not rules. The only rules Yahoo cares about are the ones
that will keep them out of a courtroom.
A local news blog has a weekly politics thread where members are urged
"to be nice to each other" but given the results and reverse psychology
they might do better saying "tear each other to shreds!" ;-)
On 06/08/2015 08:05 AM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Monday, June 8, 2015 9:58 AM
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
*/Thanks for responding, Rick. While you're still here, can you please
explain to us exactly HOW Doug will enforce the sentence I've
highlighted below in red? What exactly is he allowed to do and not do
"to ensure adherence to Yahoo's guidelines"?
My experience is that it's better to ask these kinds of questions
*before* possible abuse of authority happens, not afterwards. /**//*
I actually don’t know. I don’t know if he does either. Let’s see what
he does and evaluate it.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <rick@... <mailto:rick@...>>
wrote :
*From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Monday, June 8, 2015 7:57 AM
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
We sat over this together in church the other day. It will be fine.
–JaiGuruYou
It was a wedding. Ordinarily you wouldn’t find me in church.
Almost daily, various people urge me to moderate FFL or get someone to
do it. With BatGap and my other responsibilities, I don’t have the
time. I believe in very minimal moderation, at least for FFL. I think
the “anything goes” nature of it has contributed to its success and
longevity. But I think we are obligated to at least abide by Yahoo’s
guidelines. Theoretically, frequent violation of those guidelines
could get the group shut down. *Doug Hamilton has volunteered to
moderate and to limit his moderation to ensuring adherence to Yahoo’s
guidelines and no more.*He will not moderate with his puritanical Buck
alter-ego. I know some will bristle at what they perceive as a
restriction of their freedom of speech, but different types of speech
are appropriate in different contexts, and again, in the context of a
Yahoo group, we are obligated to abide by Yahoo’s guidelines. So I’m
going to try this and see how it goes. If Doug abuses his authority
and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his
moderator status.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <turquoiseb@...
<mailto:turquoiseb@...>> wrote :
*/Sad news. /*
*/Might I propose, before Doug starts banning people, that you and
Rick insist on a few guidelines for *him* when he does this. /*
*/I'm suggesting this because I think everyone here is aware that Doug
is...uh...not quite in touch with reality these days, and tends to see
things that aren't really there. /*
*/So what I suggest is that if he is indeed given the power to ban
someone, he cannot do so without reposting *the exact post* that Doug
feels is in violation of the Yahoo Guidelines, and without explaining
to the group *exactly why* he thinks this poster needs to be banned. /*
*/Otherwise, you know what's going to happen. Doug will just ban the
people he doesn't like, without telling *anyone*, and they'll just
fall off the radar because they can't post any more, either to
complain or to defend themselves. /*
*/I think we all know that a tyrant has just been handed the keys to
the kingdom. I think we also all know what he will do with them. I'm
just suggesting a procedure that insures he can't do it in secret. /*
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*From:*"j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]
<mailto:j_alexander_stanley@...%20[FairfieldLife]>"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, June 8, 2015 2:27 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
As is typically the case these days, I am completely out of the loop
with respect to Rick's handling of FFL. Doug's posts this morning
piqued my curiosity, and it turns out that Rick made Doug a moderator
yesterday afternoon. I have no idea what Doug is supposed to do in
terms of enforcement. As for me, my role will not change.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <dhamiltony2k5@...
<mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...>> wrote :
*Thanks R-V, I appreciate the perspective of your enlightened
high-minded empathy in experience for the well-being of FFL. *
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <reverse_archery@...
<mailto:reverse_archery@...>> wrote :
Cute. When do you get to be a full moderator for this site, Doug? Is
this your first official attempt? It seems you are practicing with me,
or something, given the plethora of more meaningful targets available.
Regardless, I wish you all the best in your new role...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <dhamiltony2k5@...
<mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...>> wrote :
'Don't be Unkind'. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are really quite
enlightened in their guidance.
For instance,
“If one is constantly negative, one is heading towards trouble. By
negative thinking, feeling and acting one creates dark patches and
muddy colors in the aura which, in turn, prevent the flow of God's
creative energy from reaching him. Without the light of God, the body
starts of manifest various imbalances and one's health and lifespan is
compromised. Turning to vitamins, minerals and excess sunlight does
not help because the body is primarily sustained by cosmic current.”
-Charles Lutes, Will and Desire, 5/3/91
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <reverse_archery@...
<mailto:reverse_archery@...>> wrote :
Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the
back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that,
contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in
compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of.
The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster
discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is
no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the
majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set
out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion
for congratulations.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <j_alexander_stanley@...
<mailto:j_alexander_stanley@...>> wrote :
Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone.
When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to
handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn
or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group,
where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was
also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit.
WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on
a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken
per day.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <mjackson74@...
<mailto:mjackson74@...>> wrote :
J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is
busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a
loooooong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on
what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I
appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I
am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator.
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*From:*salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com>>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <reverse_archery@...
<mailto:reverse_archery@...>> wrote :
Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There
basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all
to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails.
No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if
someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It
is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point.
I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not
stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining?
Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like
it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves?
You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates
who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to
change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop
spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away.
You are the trolls. Go away.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <dhamiltony2k5@...
<mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...>> wrote :
It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in
violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been
moderated simply then by the group owner.
Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such
a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's
membership posting privilege.
Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't
come right through then clip their membership privilege. The
Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <turquoiseb@...
<mailto:turquoiseb@...>> wrote :
*From:*"reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]
<mailto:reverse_archery@...%20[FairfieldLife]>"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>>
*To:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno,
it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do
you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such
tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on
this one.
I am not accusing Barry of anything...
*/Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California
area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a
huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to
create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword
scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret
Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to
do. /*
