--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 1:16 PM, anonymousff wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > >  But I digress. My main concern with Dr. Pete
> > was that he was 
> > > >  rudely,IMO, making jokes about sacred
> > ceremonies.
> > > 
> > > Well, I've gone back and reread the post, and I
> > didn't see any 
> > > reference to any ceremonies, sacred or otherwise.
> > 
> > Boy, I didn't either.
> 
> Sal, Judy, I'm placing both of you on retainer. Would
> $10,000 per month be okay?
> 

You must be rich Dr. Pete to throw your money away on such shallow
analysis. 

Dr pete said 
 -- The yagyas are having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's
stopped calling African Americans niggers and now
kindly refers to them as "spearchuckers". The power of
yagyas!! --

Perhaps in this group the term yagya is not understood. I assumed it
was. My mistake. In a yagya, chants of gods names and adorations, as
well as many "auspicious and sacred things", fruit, flowers, spices,
milk, coconuts,  etc  are offered to  a direct representation of a
diety -- a statue aka murti, or an open pit of fire, representing the
divine. I think in most lexicons, in most people's vocabularies, this
would count as a "sacred ceremony". Not that all would hold it sacred
personally, but would hold it as a sacred ceremony of some religion.
For example, a jew may not hold persoally hold communion as a sacred
ceremony, but recognizes it as a scared ceremnony of catholics -- and
many other christians.

So sorry that I assumed the term yagya was understood in this group
and that referrencing it as a "sacred ceremony" was so foreign to
apparently so many.  

But speaking of references, Mr Pall made no reference in his post to
"niggers" or "spearchuckers". Mr Pete appears to be referencing past
discussion. Something I was also doing --- as well as an assumed
commonality of knowledge [see above].

Just curious, I wonder if Dr pete said 
 -- The taking of the catholic holy communion is having a wonderful
impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now
kindly refers to them as "spearchuckers". The power of catholic 
holy communion. !! --

Would this have been viewed as, at least slightly, sarcastic, bigoted,
or out of place, a derogatory comment on a "sacred ceremony" (as
viewed by "believers") -- or at least a bit of slur against someone's
personal beliefs?  Or maybe at least a "cheap shot"? 

What if Dr pete said 
 -- The offering of puja to Guru Dev every day is having a wonderful
impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now
kindly refers to them as "spearchuckers". The offering of puja to Gura
Dev every day. !! --

But the larger point, as discussed in an adjacent post, is not the
slurs on "sacred ceremonies" but rather belittling someone who has
acknowledged deep disabilites and is vigorously seeking recovery.

[But I'm easy. I can fit in. Hey for fun tonight, wanna all go down to
the AA meeting and make fun of the drunks! ]






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