---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this abuse see the post over at The_Peak, #4901 davidfb108 on spiritual violence, Like the Yahoo-group guidelines seeks to corral this kind of incivility on their groups these millennials [meditators] I am watching working here are seeking to curb a type of coercive violence [oppression] they see held in communal mores and behavior that they well describe as patriarchal. These are not grade-schoolers. They are quite old enough with stake in it and do respect aspects of the spiritual community enough to hope to perpetuate instead basic needs [inalienable right?] for safety within the institutions for a communal well-being in what evidently is coming down to the very survival of the institutions of the movement themselves. A lot is going on inside right now inside the various elements of what is TM. Maybe you are uncomfortable with process like this or against where it might lead. But for instance well-intended millennials and others of goodwill in the larger community are actively bringing in work in inter-cultural tolerance with workshops and presentations for various elements of the community and promoting classes and workshops on campus in communal strategies and skill-sets like, NVC. Like with the Yahoo-groups guidelines this is all very much about the social sustainability of groups for individuals for good reasons. ..NVC [nonviolent communication] begins by assuming that we are all compassionate by nature and that violent strategies—whether verbal or physical—are learned behaviors taught and supported by the prevailing culture. NVC assumes in process that violent communication strategies can be unlearned. I think I'm pretty comfortable with the guidelines as they are clearly or not clearly delineated here. I know for one thing that a whole bunch of people feel a whole lot more comfortable writing posts at FFL since you took over as moderator and asked some of the members, who were consistently throwing mud and rotten fruit at others, to leave. I'm just tired of continually having to wash my face and clothes after posting here and now that the need for that has vanished it is way better, for me. All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. No, you accused me of doing the same with reference to Xeno. You just don't recognize it when the posters you like do it to others. This is what bugs me the most - the hypocrisy. When your friends sling shit around it is well-reasoned arguments, when others do it they are teenaged girls mimicking what goes on at FB. You have a serious double standard for such a scientific guy, Sal. I read a lot of well argued counter arguments to the TM dogma. TM claims to be a science, therefore it gets criticised. That's what science is, people arguing until they reach a consensus based on the evidence. Here is what you still don't understand about me. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for. I don't, and most others here included, did not have a problem with dissenting viewpoints about TM and not one person who has been chucked out of here was done so because they said something "mean" about TM. It is about personal space and mutual civilized respect that can at least result in interesting and intelligent dialogue. Slinging shit around like its ones personal soapbox is a total drag. It's obvious that what Buck wants is a place where nobody can have a contrary opinion to what he believes in. That's why he uses terms like "apostate". But you can';t live in a world like that, there has to be dissent or nobody ever learns anything, you all just sit there agreeing with each other. What sort of discussion forum is that for crissakes? But I can see why people are scared of it. Scared? Puhleeeze. No one is scared of Doug. No one's "rights" are being taken away by Doug. If he clears out this forum what is stopping anyone from taking their voice elsewhere? Nothing - as we can all see since we are three groups now. You don't understand very well. I said that people shouldn't scared of criticism. That's what this is all about. You are getting really clueless if you think that one person deciding to clear people off a forum because they just want to or can't cope is acceptable. If you don't care why do you come here every day? Why were you first back after Buck started his rampage? And calling people like that trolls is a very poor effort. You got to think about what they say, not whether you personally agree with it. Absolutely, I am calling bawee a troll because he is not interested in discussion. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with him, it is about his intention and delivery. He simply has a terrible need to be someone and FFL is all he's got. If you want to enable and stroke him then by all means do it but thankfully it can be at FFL2 and not here where there are others who have a far more valid and friendly desire to exchange ideas. You should do yourself a favour and drop this "Bawee" nonsense, you are a grown up human right? Enable and stroke? This is kindergarten stuff. Not even that actually. DNR.
