--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban people who express negative opinions of TM. It doesn't matter how many people tell them what Ann does below (highlighted in red); they simply can't "hear" it: The problem on FFL has not been criticism of TM, it's been gross incivility and misrepresentation, primarily by TM critics toward TM supporters. That's what Doug was appointed by Rick to correct, and so far that's what he's done by bouncing three of the guilty parties.
If Doug starts to censor negative opinions of TM, you're not just going to hear complaints from the TM critics; TM supporters won't stand for it either. Me: When I was studying Brazilian Jiu Jitsu we used to use a trick to get someone to extend their arm so we could lock it and win the match by forcing them to tap out. When we got on top of them we would push on their throat. This would cause a reflex from them to try to push us away by extending their arm. So to attack the arm we went for the neck. This is what made is such an intellectual sport, like body chess. You and I are interpreting what happened that lead to Barry and Michael getting the boot. By hitting Barry with an outrageous accusation of violating the Yahoo guidelines by criticizing David Lynch, Barry reflexively extended his arm. It was an outrageous claim and a trumped up charge and it inspired an emotional response from Barry about Buck's unsuitability as a moderator in the context of an appeal to Rick to stop him before he did what he ended up doing. It is not as if Buck has not been very clear about his view of speaking ill of the TM teaching. He has spent years and pretty tirelessly promoted the idea that he views it as on a par with terrorism. After having labeled people who left TM as quitters and other terms mostly used in religious contexts, he has weighed in on free speech. He is not a fan. Drone strikes were used as images to express his opinion about apostates. So it kind of makes sense that people who were in his target demo would feel the laser sight, and low and behold, he got the two most vocal critics of TM off the site. Coincidence? Not for me. Some of the worst offenders of this new policy moved to another site before we could really test if this rule would be selectively enforced or not. So with all the civility appropriate to the new FFL: I believe that your opportunity to stand up for the principle of free speech here was missed in your sense of personal satisfaction that an old rival got canned.Your view requires you to ignore what Buck has already written about ad nauseam as the prelude to how he has actually used his new found power. From a previous discussion of ours, I was able to locate the email from Rick where he states clearly that Buck had been bugging him for years to let him clean up the group. All the time he was posting those tirades about critics being terrorists he was bugging Rick to implement the very plan he has carried out. Rick was concerned that Buck would show up instead of Doug. I believe we also disagree on which one is now on FFL. As an expert in language forms yourself, I am surprised that you refer to him by a different name considering his use of the same tortured language style that Buck was infamous for using. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. (snippo) All this talk about personal freedoms being taken away is balderdash and highly melodramatic. And what I'm getting now, is that Doug is not so interested in controlling (via the Yahoo guidelines) the actual content but is more interested in creating a space where those who want to contribute can do so without getting heckled or humiliated or being subsequently misrepresented as a means to intimidate. The trolls trying to disguise themselves as free thinkers are actually doing more to take away anyone's freedom of speech than the moderator. If I get canned at some point, then so be it. It is not important as some personal liberty denied that I was no longer allowed to post at FFL, of all places. I have a life and it doesn't rely on my posting status here remaining intact for it to be a full one. Heckled and humiliated? Throwing mud and fruit? We were reading different forums. No, you accused me of doing the same with reference to Xeno. You just don't recognize it when the posters you like do it to others. This is what bugs me the most - the hypocrisy. When your friends sling shit around it is well-reasoned arguments, when others do it they are teenaged girls mimicking what goes on at FB. You have a serious double standard for such a scientific guy, Sal. I read a lot of well argued counter arguments to the TM dogma. TM claims to be a science, therefore it gets criticised. That's what science is, people arguing until they reach a consensus based on the evidence. Here is what you still don't understand about me. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says or thinks about TM. It is often a post that has dick-all to do with TM that I usually find most boorish and that is, to be exact, the posts that get all personal and repetitive and twisted that consciously misrepresent and falsify what others are saying. I resent the trollish, dickish posts that people like your buddy bawee was notorious for. I don't, and most others here included, did not have a problem with dissenting viewpoints about TM and not one person who has been chucked out of here was done so because they said something "mean" about TM. It is about personal space and mutual civilized respect that can at least result in interesting and intelligent dialogue. Slinging shit around like its ones personal soapbox is a total drag. It's obvious that what Buck wants is a place where nobody can have a contrary opinion to what he believes in. That's why he uses terms like "apostate". But you can';t live in a world like that, there has to be dissent or nobody ever learns anything, you all just sit there agreeing with each other. What sort of discussion forum is that for crissakes? But I can see why people are scared of it. Scared? Puhleeeze. No one is scared of Doug. No one's "rights" are being taken away by Doug. If he clears out this forum what is stopping anyone from taking their voice elsewhere? Nothing - as we can all see since we are three groups now. And calling people like that trolls is a very poor effort. You got to think about what they say, not whether you personally agree with it. Absolutely, I am calling bawee a troll because he is not interested in discussion. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with him, it is about his intention and delivery. He simply has a terrible need to be someone and FFL is all he's got. If you want to enable and stroke him then by all means do it but thankfully it can be at FFL2 and not here where there are others who have a far more valid and friendly desire to exchange ideas.
