There are various possibilities.1. The physical universe is the only universe.
Once the soul comes out of the body there is nowhere else it has to go, so it
goes into another body immediately. So, transmigration to some other world,
heaven or hell or other worlds does not arise at all. This is true if the
physical world is the only reality. If the physical universal is not the only
reality then other possibilities arise.We have found:“The soul would have no
freedom from Matter; it would be perpetually bound to its instrument, the body,
and dependent on it for the continuity of its manifested existence. But we have
found that there is a life on other planes after death and before the
subsequent rebirth, a life consequent on the old and preparatory of the new
stage of terrestrial existence. Other planes coexist with ours, are part of one
complex system and act constantly upon the physical which is their own final
and lowest term, receives its reactions, admit a secret communication and
commerce. Man can become conscious of these planes, can even in certain states
project his conscious being into them, partly in life, presumably therefore
with a full completeness after the dissolution of the body.”This is the second
alternative.2. Physical universe is not the only universe. In fact in one of
the important articles of Vedic knowledge there is a discovery of other worlds
other than the physical universe. The Vedic seers were able to find out that
there are worlds other than the physical world of which we have physical
experience. And therefore he described the whole world in a very symbolic
manner. He said the world is like an animal which has two heads, 4 horns and
3feet – it is like a riddle – dveshirasa, chaturshringa, tripada. Three feet
consist of 3 worlds, the lower worlds, the world of matter, the world of life
and the world of mind tripada. Even in the world there are 3 earths, the Veda
speaks of 3 earths. Even in the earth principle there are two other earth
principles of which we are not normally aware. The earth principle is called
prithvi. The second is antariksha and the third is dhyao or heaven that is the
mind. When the Vedic Rishis prayed they prayed that first shanti may be dhyao
shanti, antariksha shanti, prithvi shanti; tripada, the three worlds. Then
comes another world, which is called the world of Truth and Vast, �”� the world
of Satyam, Ritam, Brihad, the Truth, the Right and the Vast. This is called the
higher heaven. Dhyao is the lower heaven sometimes also referred to as Swaha.In
the Gayatri mantra we speak of Bhur is prithvi, Bhuva is antariksha and dhyao
together and swaha is this swaha, higher than that is the triple world which is
spiritual �”� Satchitananda. So Satchitananda and Swaha, Truth and vast these
are the four horns. The 3 feet are the feet of matter, life and mind. The four
horns are Satchitananda and truth and vast. These are the 7 Realities, 7
worlds. 4 higher worlds and three lower. The 4 horns are the higher worlds and
the tripada, 3 feet the lower worlds, �”� 4 higher and 3 lower worlds. All this
is the manifestation of a reality which is dual in character, which has 2
heads, which is Ardhanareshwar; which is supreme, at once the Lord and Divine
Mother; which is the ultimate justification of the sex principle in the world.
Aditi is called the Divine Feminine principle, the first Divine Mother from
whom all creatures are born. And the lord is often the image of Rishabha, the
Supreme Bull, the image of the Veda. The knowledge of the existence of these
worlds was a precious possession of the Vedic Rishis.This was not just a
belief. It was as if the Rishis were able to move into these worlds at will.
They could enter into any world as they willed. It was a kind of personal
experience. Just as we can say that I have seen the world and have no doubt of
its existence, at least so far as my senses go. Similarly, one can say I have
entered into the world of the truth and vast. I have entered the world of life,
or of mind. In the world of mind there will be only the world of ideas and no
matter as we see it. In the world of life there will be world desires,
impulses. When you enter into the higher world of the Supermind, when you go to
the higher level, Truth and Right and Vast, you will see only the manifestation
which is luminous, the world of light, the world of delight, world of
consciousness and the world of existence. These worlds were known to the
Upanishads also, before Upanishads accepted this whole theory, not a theory
according to them, but knowledge.Those who believe that there is only this
world and no other world at all for them there is no liberation. They remain in
this world of death, madhyaloka. So the knowledge of these worlds is necessary
for liberation.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=472If
already you have the power of entering into that world then as soon as you go
out of this body it will be very easy to enter into it. But if you have not
attained to that level of development then you may come back immediately into
this body. But if you have developed that capacity then you can go into that
world after the death of the body. Gulati
On Monday, 3 April 2017 8:42 PM, "shirish dave smdave1...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"The body which is here is burnt and is turned to ashes or is buried and
there it gets disintegrated. But besides this physical body, there is the
internal body that does not get immediately disintegrated."
What is that internal body?Of what elements the internal body is made of? By
which force the said so called internal body remained associated with the
physical body?Why has it left the physical body?What are the organs of that
internal body?How does that internal body function?What are the properties of
that internal body?
No body can answer these and many more other questions and prove the existence
of internal body logically. The rebirth is a simply wishful thinking.
We are all made of a single fundamental entity you may name it Prana, Anna,
Super String, Super particle. This fundamental entity is alive. It is not
possible to produce living organism from non-living organisms in whatsoever
number they are arranged.
We are made of cells. Cells are made of molecules, molecules are made of atoms.
Atoms are made of other subatomic particles, they are made of quarks, and at
the end all are made of the combinations of superstrings. This superstring is
the prime living organism, which has single property to attract other similar.
No different entitity having different property can intereact.
Under physical laws, superstrings formed subatomic particles and then atoms,
molecules and complicated molecules like amoebas and bectarias under favorable
conditions. Then they under went evolution under fittest to survive.
Superstring is a Soul.
Soul + Soul = Soul.
The Cosmic Soul is the universe.
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Subject: Re: [TheBecoming] Re: Spirit & Reincarnation
First question is who is reborn?The second question is what is the necessity of
rebirth?The third is what is the process of rebirth?The answer to the first
question who is reborn is, there is a normal, common, popular notion that the
man whom we saw dying is really reborn. This is a very common, normal idea. A
man or woman who has died is reborn. And we begin to expect in the rebirth the
same tendencies which that man or woman who had died possessed. If that man was
heroic we expect that in next rebirth the same heroic man will continue to be
heroic. If that man was greedy then in the next birth the same personality will
continue to be greedy. If that personality had certain attachments with X or Y
or Z then we expect that in the next birth the same will continue. Such are
vague unclear, common notions. These notions are based on facts that we do not
make distinctions. Between four elements which are in our personality there is
the physical element, the physical body in which we are living; there is the
vital element which consists of desires, impulses, attractions, repulsions,
longings; there is a mental which consists of ideas, conceptions, dreams of
various kinds, visions of various kinds and finally there is a soul in us. We
do not even know the interconnection of all this.As a result of this, our
notion of the personality that dies and the personality that is born is also a
very vague and very unclear notion. Surely the same physical body is not
reborn. That body which is here is burnt and is turned to ashes or is buried
and there it gets disintegrated. But besides this physical body, there is the
internal body that does not get immediately disintegrated. This is called the
subtle physical body. The word subtle physical is a larger term which includes
subtle physical, vital and mental also. But in the subtle body there is a
subtle physical body also. This subtle physical body survives for quite some
time and if the vital and mental are not very much developed in us, if the soul
in us is not very much developed in us, then there would be an immediate
physical rebirth in another body. It would be almost a continuation of the kind
of personality that there was before because nothing was developed. This
answers to the common idea of the same personality being reborn. But this
happens only in the case of very rudimentary human beings, very, very
elementary, very barbaric human beings whose life is centered only on the
physical and other parts of the being are not developed. Now, for those who
have got vital being quite developed, mind also to some extent developed, and
the soul also slightly developed; in that case after the disintegration of the
physical body, also the subtle physical, the vital continues for some time. It
was developed already; it does not disappear. But on the physical earth,
basically only physical beings can live that is the specialty of this physical
world.If anyone wants to come on the earth and live on the earth, he has got to
have a physical body. If he does not have a physical body then one cannot live
long on the physical plane. So, there must be another plane where this vital
being developed in this body, which has still not disintegrated, which is still
continuing, passes through a certain plane and that must be a plane
corresponding to its own nature. If it is a vital being it goes to the life
plane, the vital plane, a vital world, a world which consists of vital beings.
This is a part of the occult knowledge. That apart from the physical world
there is a vital
world.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=473So
once you go to the life plane then you get a freer domain of expressing your
vital being. This also is a very important idea.What does it mean to get a
freer field to express the vital being? You notice that in this world of the
physical, we are constantly hampered by physical disabilities. There are many
things that we would like to do but either we are sick or we get fatigued very
easily, or else there is a need for sleep. Very often when our vital being is
very powerful we feel we should have 48 hours in a day to be able to do
everything that we want to do. There are so many things to be done but it is
the physical existence which hampers our full manifestation of all our vital
activities. In the vital plane this disability would not be there, so that it
may have a freer play of its energies. Very often many things that we cannot do
here in the physical plane we are able to accomplish in the vital plane, this
we are able to do by transmigrating into the life plane. And we reach a point
where all that we wanted to do is as it were exhausted.Once that is done then
we are able to pass to the other plane and if our mind was developed to some
extent then we go to the mental plane. There again, what we were not able to do
mentally here, we are able to accomplish over there. And a point is reached
where it is exhausted and then we are able to move to the plane of the pure
soul being which is called the Psychic plane. It is the psychic being actually,
which is the individual formation of the soul; which is immortal, it never
disintegrates, it is the inextinguishable flame. So that which really survives
the body after the death of the body it is this psychic body or soul which
remains disintegrated. The vital can become exhausted, mental can become
exhausted but the soul is never exhausted. It is actually you might say an
entity of potentiality which remains disintegrated.It is this soul personality
which has a sojourn on the psychic plane. And according to the level of
evolution that it has reached in the past births, and according to the
potentiality it has got of manifestation in the future, it waits for the
circumstances on the earth to arise appropriate to the need and then it takes a
new body on the physical plane by descending into the physical plane. Very
often when the soul is not very developed it does not make a conscious choice
of the circumstances in which it is to be born. It happens almost like
gravitation. But when the soul development has been sufficiently great, then it
can decide exactly when it is to be born. It can even preside over the
formation of the body, determine the formation of the body and take the birth
according to its needs very consciously. In the case of very developed souls
this is the normal condition. So it is actually the soul that takes
birth.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=474
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 6:40 PM, "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I am saying the same thing, only differently.1. There is a soul.2. It is
permanent.3. It evolves.4. To begin with, it is ineffective to control life.
5. In the beginning instincts and desires predominate over mind.6. Gradually
the mind asserts its sovereignty.7. Mind is in turn more and more influenced by
soul as it grows.
8. Reincarnation of soul becomes necessary for the process to complete
itself.9. Reincarnation is as human only.10. Formations (Samskars) of desires
that are very strong may reincarnate in animals, not the soul.
Once you grant that there is a necessity of rebirth then many questions arise.
“There arises the first question of the process of rebirth; if that process is
not quickly successive, birth immediately following death of the body so as to
maintain an uninterrupted series of lives of the same person, if there are
intervals, that in its turn raises the question of the principle and process of
the passage to other worlds, which must be the scene of these intervals, and
the return to earth–life. A third question is the process of the spiritual
evolution itself and the mutations which the soul undergoes in its passage from
birth to birth through the stages of its adventure.”The first question is what
is the process of rebirth? Who is reborn, how is one reborn? In what form is he
reborn?The second is, is rebirth immediately successive. There are two notions
which are running in the world amongst those who believe in rebirth, not
sufficiently reconciled. According to one view you leave this body and you are
immediately reborn into another body. According to the other view once you come
out of the body you go through experiences of pleasure and pain according to
whether you have been good or bad on this earth. If you have been good you go
to heaven and pleasures of some kind, otherwise you will be chastised and sent
to hell for some time. And when this is over you take another birth. This is a
popular notion, not necessarily scientifically verifiable. These are the
current notions. We have to arrive at a very scientific conclusion on this
subject. Is rebirth immediately successive or if not immediately successive
then what happens to the soul in the interval?The third question is that in the
whole process of dying, coming out of the body, passing to wherever one has to
pass after the death of the body, returning to the new body; what is it that
the soul gains and how does it evolve itself. What is the process of its
evolution? What role does nature play and what role does the soul play in the
evolution of consciousness, which is the real purpose. These are the three
questions that
arise.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=471
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 9:07 AM, S Turkman <turk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
As I said before, we are made of 3 things. Physical Body, Astral Body and
Spirit. When we die, Astral Body disintegrates and Spirit flies away to get
Reincarnated again as a Human of a 4 Legged Animal depending on each case but
normally back to another Human.Some in their 1st Sojourn or higher as Human may
prefer to be Reincarnated back as 4 Legged Animals, where they had started
from, if they did not like their Human Life.
CASE & POINT
I had an American friend, who could converse with 4 Legged Animals using
telepathy (Mentally without saying any words)..i asked, why she did not use
this skill at the Horse Races to win a lot of money?She said, "They are like 5
to 8 years old Children mentally. 3 or 4 of them say, they would win the Race.
Normally one of them wins but sometimes, one of the rest of them, who had said,
they would not, wins. One day, I was with her in a Shopping Center on Milwaukee
& Dempster Street, Desplaines, Illinois, USA. I saw a very crazy kind of Pet
Dog of some lady that had gone inside leaving it outside. I requested her to
talk with it. Following is the conversation:
LADY: Why are you acting so crazy?DOG: Because I am crazy?LADY: Why don't you
straighten out your act so,you could be born as a Human?DOG: I have already
done that. I was a Human. LADY: Did you act this crazy as a Human also?DOG: Yes
and I could not enter Fetus of a Human after that. LADY: Do you like this life
as a Dog?DOG: Yes. LADY: Why?DOG: Because this life is more fun and less
restrictive. LADY: How?DOG: You saw me rape a little Bitch. Nobody arrested me
to take to Jail. When I used to do this as a Human, they used to take me to
Jail and in court the Raped Girl used to testify so, I had started killing them
after raping so, they could not testify. I got caught again and was given Death
Sentence.
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