--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > > In Maharishi's case, he convinces people such
> > > > > as Bob that he's in tune with something he calls 
> > > > > "Natural Law," which of course only he is evolved
> > > > > enough to perceive and define.  Because Bob has been
> > > > > programmed to believe such declarations, he cuts 
> > > > > Maharishi a great deal of slack when he does things
> > > > > that are questionable or even outright illegal.
> > > > 
> > > > First, "programmed" is another weasel word chosen for
> > > > the purpose of loading the argument.  
> > > 
> > > You've just spent an entire post defending a guy
> > > based on the definition of enlightenment that *he*
> > > taught you.  I'd say "programmed" is relevant.  :-)
> > 
> > Except you're attacking a definition that doesn't exist, so if 
Judy 
> > is defending what you say she's defending, you're both arguing 
> > about nothing.
> 
> I was not defending what Barry said I was defending,
> either MMY or the definition.  I was pointing out
> that Barry's reasoning was fallacious.  I expressed
> no opinion one way or the other as to whether MMY was
> enlightened or whether the notion that the enlightened
> person can "do no wrong" was correct.
> 
> Barry's attacking a *defense* that doesn't exist.
> 
> > > > Lawson didn't offer an opinion on whether MMY was
> > > > enlightened, of course.  He said merely that *if*
> > > > a person was enlightened, it was valid for them
> > > > to consider themselves above the law.
> > 
> > Didn't quite say that either.
> 
> Here's what you said (including what you were
> responding to):
> 
> > > > I often got the feeling from Maharishi, and recent speeches
> > > > seem to reflect this, that he didn't have much respect for
> > > > the level of intelligence that formulated man-made laws.
> > > > He considered man-made laws legitimate and worthy
> > > > of his obedience to the degree that they conformed to
> > > > Natural Law, and he considered his own desires and intentions
> > > > to be a perfect expression of Natural Law. Thus, if a man-
> > > > made law didn't jibe with his desire, he considered it a
> > > > misguided hindrance to his higher purpose and had no qualms
> > > > about violating it.
> > >
> > > A perfectly valid attitude for someone enlightened...
> 
> I think my paraphrase is accurate.
>

You're right. I clarified my statement later by tacking on the "given 
that the definition is true." Of course one could hedge things 
further by adding "or that one believes it is true."






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