On Jun 26, 2006, at 9:15 PM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:40 PM, authfriend wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: >>>> >>>> By request. >>>> >>>> Ken Wilber demonstrates different brainwave patterns on a > standard >>>> home unit used in Neuro-feedback. >>>> >>>> Ever hear of a TMer doing a blank wave? >>>> >>>> No, I'm sure you haven't... >>> >>> You've posted this here before, as I recall, Vaj. >> >> Yes, that's right Judy. Thanks for noticing. :-) >> >>> >>> Explain to us again (a) why we should be impressed >>> that Wilber can do a "blank wave" on a home EEG >>> unit; >> >> Because of the *style* of samadhi this is indicative of (to put it >> in TM lingo) is that of Unity Consciousness. > > And we know that a "blank wave" on a home EEG unit is > indicative of a Unity Consciousness style of samadhi > because...?
Apparently someone needs to do some research! > >> However it should also be noted this relates to a different path >> than -> PC -> CC -> eventually leads to UC. > > It sure is. Is it? > > Instead it should be seen as UC >> grasped as the path (unusual because you are taking UC *as the > path*, >> rather than as an *end state*) and maturing into BC (to use the TM >> metaphor). >> >>> and (b) why we should be disheartened (or >>> gleeful, if we're TM critics) that we've never heard >>> of a TMer doing a "blank wave"? >> >> Because we should realize and make the connection that *dualistic >> methods lead to dualistic states of consciousness* (e.g. the >> witnessing artifact, which is an artifact of a dualistic >> meditation method). > > But which (as you know, and just said above) is a > transitional feature in terms of UC. I assume you are referring to GC? I'm sorry I don't buy the GC fallacy Mahesh has fed you. Either would Shankara... > > We still need to know, however, why a "blank wave" on a > home EEG machine should be assumed to represent a nondual > state of consciousness (and presumably why "nonblank waves" > on a home EEG machine should be assumed to represent a > dualistic state of consciousness). Like I said, if you do not understand *why*, it sounds like you need to do some more hunting--or some more exploration in terms of the *spectrum* of meditative practices... I can't do it for you Judy. > > That's not in any way to imply that dualistic states of >> meditation are *bad* or *lesser* than other forms of meditation. >> Instead they should be understood as a continuum naturally > occurring >> in meditative praxis. However, it should not be missed that *one > is >> much faster than the other!* >> >>> >>>> Well, here it is: >>>> >>>> http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 >>>> >>>> (bottom of the page) >>>> >>>> Eventually we'll see similar technology used to qualify and > verify >>>> those claiming certain states (e.g. someone claiming access to a >>>> non-dual state should be able to make a "flat" EEG). >>> >>> Oh, and while you're at it, (c) why making a "flat" EEG >>> (on a home machine) should be considered a requirement >>> for those claiming access to a nondual state? >> >> It's not a *requirement*, merely one possible, measurable >> signature...that's all. > > OK, that's not what you said, however. I guess you > just miswrote. LOL. No, it just a refinement of what I previously hinted at. You missed it. If you don't "get this", that's fine. It's probably just an artifact of your paradigm. Not unusual for people who are indoctrinated in *any* school of thought (or belief). That's why yogis who practice the path of Unity Consciousness emphatically say "don't get caught in a "school"". ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
