--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <groups@> wrote: > > > > > > on 8/21/06 3:11 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > >> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> > , "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> My prediction is that anyone who gets on the "enlightened" > > list will > > > >>> >> be banned from future courses. MMY's organization is not > > built for > > > >>> >> people who claim to have reached the goal. The "only one > > beard in the > > > >>> >> room" rule still applies. Am I wrong? > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > That's why Fred Travis has been able to publish physiological > > studies on > > > >> > people who reported > > > >> > witnessing 24/7 for years on end: they're afraid to step > forward... > > > > > > > Fred was very condescending and dismissive of an Awake friend > > > of mine whose brain waves didn¹t happen to match Fred¹s > > > expectations. > > > > Where did TMO folks get the idea that being awake/enlightened is a > > measurable, dualistic phenomenon? > > Well, its a 30 year old theme in the TMO -- at least as far as > states, dual and non-dual, having measurable correlates. TMO folks got > it from MMY -- and his active encouragement of various researchers of > that theme. And TMO'ers got it from many advanced lectures, res course > tapes, etc. And SCI. Where did you "miss" the theme being there? > > More power to anyone claiming awakening. But without specific > physiological correlates, its not TMO enlightenement. It is something > else, some other definition of higher states, other than the TMO's. > Such as it appears Jim is doing. > > That doesn't imply that such awakened or non-TMO BC aren't substantial > or "less". But they are not the TMO thing. > > It does raise a good set of questions: i) is refinement of the nervous > system, ii) is a nervous system indeed necessry' for enlightenment? > > Peter, if i understand his past posts, has said "no" to i). Though > this is clearly contgraty to TMO dogma / theory. His response to ii) > would be intersting. > > Alex, what is your view on the above two questions? > You are getting sucked into the conventional wisdom regarding how to measure stuff like consciousness. While each state of awareness is physiologically distinct, I am not convinced each can be measured by today's scientific instruments.
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