--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have > come > > > to > > > > Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India > to > > > > comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the > end > > a > > > > personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final > illumination. > > > MMY is > > > > NOT a personal guru! > > > > > > > > Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every > Tom, > > > Dick > > > > and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge > > that > > > is > > > > available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those > > who > > > > apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal > > guru > > > > comes in. > > > > > > > > Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much > yet > > > to be > > > > revealed! IMHO! > > > > > > > > > > Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to > > > unfold 100% of mental potential? > > > > I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be > > necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well > known > > Saints....had Gurus? > > > > > > > I don't know. > > But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. > > That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they > feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal > guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not > enough. > > But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the > very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that > they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. > > Quit a little conundrum...
A very interesting conundrum, Shemp. It is good you have pointed this out. I think that although TM is a very basic calming technique, a somewhat refined but common manasika-japa, it could be enough if, IF, the teaching that went with it were actually directed at freeiing the individual from the guru. But Mahesh's teaching increasingly leads to further and further dependence upon the guru/Mahesh. You have to buy more and more. The guru's teaching, Maheshism, is based on greed, *the mind goes in the direction of more and more*. Greed will not free anyone from anything, it will only increase dependence on the guru or whoever/whatever is supplying more! There's an interesting "pointing out" instruction in one of Ken Wilber's books. I have forgotten which one, but if I can find it, I'll post it. Quite simply KW shows how you can be completely self sufficient (look how Mahesh made a buck on that one and the 108's) and not need the guru. It isn't as easy as depending on Mahesh to give you what he thinks you need (which is another way of saying "as easy for Mahesh to take what he wants from you"). But with KW's pointing out instructions you can confidently go from tescher to teacher learning more and more and not get hooked on giving more and more and having little or nothing for yourself but the paranoia that you might not get anything if you don't try to buy it all. Thanks Shemp. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
