--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rule2148" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what > that suffering and death accomplished. To put it in eastern terms, > Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all > time. This act of absolution required great suffering and the > ultimate sacrifice to pay the price. For Maharishi to blithely say > that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the > tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's > karma.
I've never heard MMY say that Guru Dev suffered from disease as penance for the world's karma. But even if he did, it wouldn't take away from his great pronouncements on Jesus and that Jesus did not suffer. I totally agree with the assessment that Christianity puts too much emphasis on the suffering of Jesus and that he did not suffer. As for the taking on of karma for all mankind: of course he did. And that's an experience that awaits all human beings. But it is an experience that occurs at the doorstep of the absolute. It's not something that you magically get by declaring "I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior". That's just a marketing ploy to get more members for your club; it has absolutely nothing -- zero, zippo -- to do with either Jesus Christ or the practise of Christianity. And bravo to MMY for saying what he did. >The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of > disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from. The Christian > conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a great > and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted > from the Christian to Christ. An Indian friend of mine who > converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions > with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might > have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma but > as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime. Thus, Christians honor > the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of removing > one's own bad karma. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <rudra_joe@> > wrote: > > > > Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative is > pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little > tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru > karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self referencial > dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring into > duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is > doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til they > figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, zero > point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with > development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. > Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily > turned on. By good or bad. But on the other hand, if you believe in > the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the > means, the race is on. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: akasha_108 > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > SNIP> > > > > Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from > the dead, > > > > or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him "in death", > so > > > > weird. They always want to say how "Christ died for our > sins" , I > > > > mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of > dying > > > > seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be > the > > > > focus: ascension & eternal life > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on > the part > > > of Jesus: "It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of > suffering. > > > those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong > interpretation of the > > > life of Christ and the message of Christ.How could suffering > be > > > associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who > claims all > > > that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ." > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, > pp. 123-124 > > > > The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system > and > > its inherent discrimnation and exploitation. > > > > The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It was > > showcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register at > many > > book stores in 1968. An impulse purchase item. Too bad it was > not a > > better collection of lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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