--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/1/06 12:40:26 P.M. Central Standard > Time, > > > > drpetersutphen@ writes: > > > > > > > > Ha! That's a great response. But "Carry" was making a > > > > clever joke about Bush's poor academic performance and > > > > being "stuck in Iraq." Its actually a clever joke and > > > > I can't really believe that people authentically > > > > believe it is some sort of put-down of our troops. > > > > > > > > I can't actually believe that anyone would think it > > > > was a clever joke! I mean, when did Kerry ever put down > > > > the troops? > > > > > > You meant to say why anyone would *not* think it was a > > > joke. > > > > > > > Comparing them to Genghis Khan doesn't count. > > > > > > Let's just give that a little bit of context. > > > Here's part of what he said before the Senate > > > committee: > > > > > > I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say > > that > > > several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which > > over > > > 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans > > > testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated > > > incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the > full > > > awareness of officers at all levels of command.... > > > > > > They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off > > > ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to > human > > > genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, > > > randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent > > of > > > Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, > > and > > > generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to > > the > > > normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging > > > which is done by the applied bombing power of this country. > > > > > > We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." > The > > > term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 > > when > > > he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who > > deserted > > > at Valley Forge because the going was rough. > > > > > > We who have come here to Washington have come here because we > feel > > we > > > have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this > > country; > > > we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell > > what > > > went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this > > > country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not > > > redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, > > > that we have to speak out. > > > > > > http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html > > > > > > Read the rest of it, because his testimony has > > > also been grossly and maliciously distorted by > > > the right wing. > > > > > > In the first place, he wasn't "accusing" the troops > > > in Vietnam of atrocities, contrary to the wingnut > > > spin. He was *reporting* what they themselves had > > > said they had done. > > > > Not true. > > With his very words right in front of you, Shemp, > it's not clear why you would try to deny what he > actually said: > > > And you and I, Judy, had, literally, 1,000s of words of debate > > about this at the time on amt. > > > > I don't think you'd like me to post some of those debates we had > > where I quote Kerry's very words on this subject, would you? > > Since I won that debate hands down, I'd be delighted > for you to post it.
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