Mantras are just relative vehicles for transcending. There's all kinds of seductive celestial beautiful sattvic bullshit that you can get lost in for a billion years. But once the mind is clear of major vasanas through years and years of asanas, pranayama, meditaing, samayama, sattvic food, bhakti, etc. and the mantra starts bringing the mind right down to that nil state of activity and That begins to clarify itself as the Absolute, everything else reveals itself to be just a thought. Truly, just a thought. A curious fiction made-up by the mind. No reality to anything of the relative. Like the thoughts when someone reads a story to you. Once upon a time there was beautiful princess who lived in a castle...... (I just finished my program, as if you couldn't tell ;-))
--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Comments interleaved below. > > --- Vaj wrote: > > > > Gillam wrote: > > > > > > do vedic traditions say a bija deity demands a > > > vig on each transaction? > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "vig" or if > misspelt, what you mean. > > A "vig" is a vigorish, of fee. I used that slang > term > because this thread had formed a mental picture > of a bija deity granting a boon in exchange for > some energy in return. > > My doctor remarked that the problem with any Indian > meditation was this tit-for-tat exchange. I was > wondering if there was any basis in his remarks. > > I recall one of the Kaplans accusing Maharishi of > sucking > energy from his meditators, but dismissed it as a > rant. Still, > the accusation comes to mind again in the context of > this thread. > > > The TM mantras are NOT Vedic, this is just TMO > misinformation. The TM > > mantras are tantric. They should give you energy, > not take it away. > > Thanks for once again making the distinction, and > yes, > more energy has been my experience. > > > A tantric might also argue that before you use > such a mantra, you have > > to "prepare the field" by a process called > bhuta-shuddhi or > > purification of the elements. Doing mantra japa > without it can > > exacerbate imbalances. > > Yeah, and driving to the store can get you killed. > I'm > glad MMY didn't insist I do pranayam for six months > before I could learn to meditate, which was the case > > for a neighbor doing some other practice. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
