I do think that part of the issue with this fortunate situation, is
that some of us have seen vets call anything they can't explain, or
anything with a high corona titer, FIP, and it's frustrating, for lack
of a better word. I had a lovely healthy Persian kitten that died
AFTER spay surgery, a few years ago, and the vet said must have been
FIP. I think the vet and his assistant probably just weren't careful
with her airway after surgery, after they put her back in the cage.
Gloria
On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but did want to make
one point
-- just in case it hasn't been addressed previously (although with the
knowledge base here, I can't imagine it hasn't). So apologies if
this is a
dead horse but: It's been drummed into me that the presence of
coronavirus
alone is not an indicator for FIP since many if not most cats have
it in
their systems. This has been such a cause of panic even among vets who
should know better and has resulted in so many needless deaths that I
thought it bore repeating. What causes the coronavirus to mutate
into FIP is
a combination of heredity, circumstance, and possibly God having a
sh-tty
day and wanting to punish some innocents.
All the best vibes to the kitten in question! Hang in there, darlin'.
Diane R.
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
I find the skepticism and questioning surrounding the diagnosis and
treatment of FIP interesting. I have to say, however, that every
laboratory
test, whether it be in human or veterinary medicine, is subject to
failure;
either giving false positives or false negatives. This is a far
more common
problem than most people may understand. Nothing is 100% in any
test, ever.
The best and really only currently known way to deal with this is by
looking
at the clinical presentation, history and lab work together.
In this case, the presence of coronavirus in a related kitten, the
age of
the kitten, the clinical symptoms of fever, anemia and central nervous
system impairment, I would say, that you are very very very likely
looking
at FIP or at least the entity in how it is understood. As far as
diagnosing
it by autopsy, it can also be done with a tissue biopsy. You are
looking
for pyogenicgranulomas, a histologic (microscopic) diagnosis. FIP
is an
entity that is not entirely understood therefore diagnosiing it
accurately
is difficult. It is simply a constellation of symptoms and lab
work. That
is precisely what you are looking at in this situation.
What I am saying is that there is a cyclical line of reasoning
here. FIP
cannot be easily diagnosed and all are in agreement with that, so
dismissing
that this is FIP on the grounds that it's not been definitively
diagnosed is
nonsensical. Given the fact that it fulfills most of the criteria
for FIP
we have to go with the most likely scenario that it is. It fits a non
effusive form of FIP almost perfectly.
Given that, I am excited about the possibility of a treatment.
Whatever
this cat had, whatever you believe was the diagnosis (and by the way
it is
obvious that extensive tests, looking to identify alternate causes,
were
done). Whether you call FIP a wastebasket diagnosis, this cat
responded and
survived. The other cat, with identical symptoms, did not receive
this full
treatment and died. There is some success here, whatever your
belief on the
diagnosis is.
I understand skepticism but there something happened here, even with
don't
fully understand what. Is it not worth, therefore, investigating?
Well, that's just my opinion.
Jenny
On 11/23/09, MaryChristine <twelvehousec...@gmail.com> wrote:
corona virus titres do NOT prove FIP. cats can have high FeCoV titres
and not progress to FIP, and cats who have progressed to FIP can have
low titres because their exposure was so long before that the virus
itself is out of their systems, although the FIP mutation is not.
FIP is the new favorite diagnosis for, "we haven't a clue."
like susan, i would love for there to be an answer for FIP--it's much
worse than FeLV, because there's no way to predict who will get it,
no
way to prevent it, and no way to treat it. but calling everything
FIP,
as has become the habit over the past three years or so, just makes
actual diagnosis and learning more muddier.
MC
--
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference....
MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
(www.purebredcats.org
)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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