At 6:23 PM 06/01/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:

>My question is, what score order would you choose for this ensemble?
>The above order would be (I believe) the standard orchestral order, but
>-- call me biassed, but it looks odd to me to have the percussion at
>the top like that.  I think my instinct would be to put the boy soprano
>and chorus at the top instead.
>
>Comments?

I'm no expert on score order, and for a lot of cases I don't even know the
correct "rules" without looking them up in a book.  On the other hand, as
an ordinary musician (singer and choral director) who has looked at a lot
of full scores of choral works, I would find it very strange to find the
solo singer and chorus on the top.  When looking for vocal parts in a full
score, I always look down low and expect to find them right above the
strings.  If I were to encounter your score, my reaction would be "Hmm,
that's weird. I wonder why the voices are on top?"  Once I got past the
initial surprise, I don't think it would confuse me any longer, so from my
point of view I don't think there's any significant harm in putting the
voices on top, but I still wonder what the gain is.

Another poster mentioned that since the vocal performers are most likely to
require the conductor's attention, they should be placed most prominently,
ie, at the top. But I wonder if the top really is most prominent. Is that
really where a conductor is going to look for them? I wouldn't.

All of this is assuming we're talking about a full score. If it's a reduced
score that the singers are going to read from, then I agree the voices
should be on top, and below them should be something resembling a piano
reduction. In that case there may be another staff or two along with the
piano accompaniment -- above or below it as appropriate -- but certainly
not the whole orchestra spelled out. (This model describes both the choral
scores Noel detailed.)

For what it's worth, my usual experience as choral director is to prepare
the chorus in rehearsal and then hand them over to the conductor for
performance. Typically I'll always have the reduction (ie, whatever the
singers and accompanist are using) on my stand and use the full score only
for reference.  I don't know that I've ever conducted anything from a full
score, though I've occasionally played piano accompaniment from one.

[Darcy again, later:]

>First off, thanks everyone on the score order stuff.  Please still let
>me know if you think the order I decided on
>[chorus/harp/piano/timp/perc/strings] is nuts... I may have second,
>third, fourth thoughts on this...

I wouldn't go so far as to call it nuts, but it does seem strange and
pointless to me. I really don't see what the problem is with what you
suggested. I don't know what order percussion is supposed to go within its
own section, but the general scheme of percussion on top, voices in the
middle, and strings on the bottom seems perfectly normal to me.

Can you explain again what your objection to the "correct" order is?
Reviewing the discussion, I get the message that it bothers you, but I
still don't understand why.

mdl


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