Hey Offer a Sibelius course too.. The students wil love you <grin>
S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 8/08/2007 4:39 a.m.
To: finale@SHSU.EDU
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Finale] Student Use (was Goodbye Finale
Hello all,
I'm starting a Finale class in the fall and if you teach Finale, I,
too, would very much appreciate a look at your syllabus. If you're
sending one to Carolyn, perhaps you'd be so kind as to also CC it to
me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
Cheers,
- Darcy
-----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY
On 07 Aug 2007, at 10:25 AM, Carolyn Bremer wrote:
> To anyone out there who teaches Finale (over the course of a
> semester):
>
> Could you contact me privately? I'd love to swap syllabi to see the
> chronology you take. I've done the class a couple of different ways
> but am not completely satisfied with either ordering of topics.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Carolyn
>
>
> On 8/7/07, Carolyn Bremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi David:
>>
>> The class is taught every fourth semester and so the last time it was
>> taught, students were on 05 or 06. The lab computers will probably be
>> on 07 when I teach it in the spring with some of the laptop users on
>> 08. All those different keystrokes ought to be fun...
>>
>> You handle bugs any way you can. Find kludge workarounds or ignore
>> them for now. There is so much for them to learn that the
>> non-centering of a hyphen is easy to write off.
>>
>> As for the 9-key enharmonic flip issue, it is something I have not
>> run
>> into yet. (Why? I don't know. Luck?). But, I don't make them enter
>> new
>> music every week when the task at hand is something different such as
>> page layouts or percussion maps. They don't have as much opportunity
>> to create 9-key enharmonic flip problems as the work from partially
>> completed files already.
>>
>> As for the SIbelius users, some stay with Finale because of
>> familiarity. I don't think it is often a matter of deciding one
>> program is better than the other -- they see the strengths and
>> weaknesses of both programs -- but they now know how to do most
>> everything they need in Finale, so why bother to learn the steps
>> to do
>> it in Sibelius. Some back to Sibelius because they don't have $250 to
>> buy Finale. Some go back to Sibelius because they prefer it, too.
>>
>> By the way, the thing that keeps the class full each time seems to be
>> the last assignment. I take them through basic Illustrator skills and
>> then have them replicate a system from a George Crumb piece. Then the
>> realize they can create a thing of beauty. Something for the fridge.
>>
>> -Carolyn
>>
>>
>> On 8/7/07, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Carolyn wrote:
>>>> I teach at Cal State Long Beach, in a department that's 40-50%
>>>> music ed
>>>> majors. They get some Sibelius instruction early on. Even still,
>>>> almost
>>>> half the ed majors use Finale. A majority of the other music
>>>> students
>>>> use Finale and about 30 of 35 comp majors. We never require them to
>>>> choose one or the other.
>>>>
>>>> What they all come to realize is that both programs take work to
>>>> learn
>>>> and they tend to make their choices based on what their friends
>>>> use, as
>>>> they'll be their sources for help. Of course some choose by
>>>> which ever
>>>> one they can find in bootleg. Only a small handful ask about the
>>>> learning curve. Money and friends with knowledge seem much more
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>>> I teach the advanced Finale class and find that not just the
>>>> composers
>>>> are interested. I usually get one or two Sibelius users as well.
>>>> Less
>>>> than half return to Sibelius after the class.
>>>>
>>>> Beginning next spring, all majors will be required to take a
>>>> basic tech
>>>> class so they can negotiate a simple recording and a basic
>>>> score. We'll
>>>> gladly offer PC and Mac versions for both Finale and Sibelius.
>>>> I'll be
>>>> interested to see the enrollment numbers in the various sections.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for sharing this with us -- I agree that many people
>>> who don't
>>> know about a technology area will follow the lead of their peers,
>>> since,
>>> as you point out, their local tech support will be their friends.
>>>
>>> Please keep us posted on what you observe with that basic tech class
>>> (what a great idea for a requirement -- I'm sure more and more music
>>> departments will be requiring such things in the coming years).
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to learn (although I can't begin to
>>> figure out
>>> how one would do this) about the reasons for people to take your
>>> advanced Finale course, and then to remain with Finale rather than
>>> return to Sibelius (if that was what they started with.) One
>>> reason may
>>> well be that with Finale, once one is shown how to use the great
>>> adjustability to advantage, it becomes much less scary, and is
>>> indeed
>>> one of the greatest strengths of Finale.
>>>
>>> How did you handle the hyphen issue and the 9-key enharmonic flip
>>> bug in
>>> Speedy Entry? Did you not get into situations where those might
>>> arise,
>>> or is everybody there still working with Fin2006 or earlier?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David H. Bailey
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Finale mailing list
>>> Finale@shsu.edu
>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>>
>>
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Hey Offer a Sibelius course too.. The students wil love you <grin>
S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 8/08/2007 4:39 a.m.
To: finale@SHSU.EDU
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Finale] Student Use (was Goodbye Finale
Hello all,
I'm starting a Finale class in the fall and if you teach Finale, I,
too, would very much appreciate a look at your syllabus. If you're
sending one to Carolyn, perhaps you'd be so kind as to also CC it to
me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
Cheers,
- Darcy
-----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY
On 07 Aug 2007, at 10:25 AM, Carolyn Bremer wrote:
> To anyone out there who teaches Finale (over the course of a
> semester):
>
> Could you contact me privately? I'd love to swap syllabi to see the
> chronology you take. I've done the class a couple of different ways
> but am not completely satisfied with either ordering of topics.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Carolyn
>
>
> On 8/7/07, Carolyn Bremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi David:
>>
>> The class is taught every fourth semester and so the last time it was
>> taught, students were on 05 or 06. The lab computers will probably be
>> on 07 when I teach it in the spring with some of the laptop users on
>> 08. All those different keystrokes ought to be fun...
>>
>> You handle bugs any way you can. Find kludge workarounds or ignore
>> them for now. There is so much for them to learn that the
>> non-centering of a hyphen is easy to write off.
>>
>> As for the 9-key enharmonic flip issue, it is something I have not
>> run
>> into yet. (Why? I don't know. Luck?). But, I don't make them enter
>> new
>> music every week when the task at hand is something different such as
>> page layouts or percussion maps. They don't have as much opportunity
>> to create 9-key enharmonic flip problems as the work from partially
>> completed files already.
>>
>> As for the SIbelius users, some stay with Finale because of
>> familiarity. I don't think it is often a matter of deciding one
>> program is better than the other -- they see the strengths and
>> weaknesses of both programs -- but they now know how to do most
>> everything they need in Finale, so why bother to learn the steps
>> to do
>> it in Sibelius. Some back to Sibelius because they don't have $250 to
>> buy Finale. Some go back to Sibelius because they prefer it, too.
>>
>> By the way, the thing that keeps the class full each time seems to be
>> the last assignment. I take them through basic Illustrator skills and
>> then have them replicate a system from a George Crumb piece. Then the
>> realize they can create a thing of beauty. Something for the fridge.
>>
>> -Carolyn
>>
>>
>> On 8/7/07, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Carolyn wrote:
>>>> I teach at Cal State Long Beach, in a department that's 40-50%
>>>> music ed
>>>> majors. They get some Sibelius instruction early on. Even still,
>>>> almost
>>>> half the ed majors use Finale. A majority of the other music
>>>> students
>>>> use Finale and about 30 of 35 comp majors. We never require them to
>>>> choose one or the other.
>>>>
>>>> What they all come to realize is that both programs take work to
>>>> learn
>>>> and they tend to make their choices based on what their friends
>>>> use, as
>>>> they'll be their sources for help. Of course some choose by
>>>> which ever
>>>> one they can find in bootleg. Only a small handful ask about the
>>>> learning curve. Money and friends with knowledge seem much more
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>>> I teach the advanced Finale class and find that not just the
>>>> composers
>>>> are interested. I usually get one or two Sibelius users as well.
>>>> Less
>>>> than half return to Sibelius after the class.
>>>>
>>>> Beginning next spring, all majors will be required to take a
>>>> basic tech
>>>> class so they can negotiate a simple recording and a basic
>>>> score. We'll
>>>> gladly offer PC and Mac versions for both Finale and Sibelius.
>>>> I'll be
>>>> interested to see the enrollment numbers in the various sections.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for sharing this with us -- I agree that many people
>>> who don't
>>> know about a technology area will follow the lead of their peers,
>>> since,
>>> as you point out, their local tech support will be their friends.
>>>
>>> Please keep us posted on what you observe with that basic tech class
>>> (what a great idea for a requirement -- I'm sure more and more music
>>> departments will be requiring such things in the coming years).
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to learn (although I can't begin to
>>> figure out
>>> how one would do this) about the reasons for people to take your
>>> advanced Finale course, and then to remain with Finale rather than
>>> return to Sibelius (if that was what they started with.) One
>>> reason may
>>> well be that with Finale, once one is shown how to use the great
>>> adjustability to advantage, it becomes much less scary, and is
>>> indeed
>>> one of the greatest strengths of Finale.
>>>
>>> How did you handle the hyphen issue and the 9-key enharmonic flip
>>> bug in
>>> Speedy Entry? Did you not get into situations where those might
>>> arise,
>>> or is everybody there still working with Fin2006 or earlier?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David H. Bailey
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Finale mailing list
>>> Finale@shsu.edu
>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>>
>>
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