And don't forget the Finalandia Vodka while you do so! Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Currington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <finale@shsu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [Finale] Student Use (was Goodbye Finale
> Hey Offer a Sibelius course too.. The students wil love you <grin> > > S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wed 8/08/2007 4:39 a.m. > To: finale@SHSU.EDU > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Finale] Student Use (was Goodbye Finale > > > > Hello all, > > I'm starting a Finale class in the fall and if you teach Finale, I, > too, would very much appreciate a look at your syllabus. If you're > sending one to Carolyn, perhaps you'd be so kind as to also CC it to > me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 07 Aug 2007, at 10:25 AM, Carolyn Bremer wrote: > > > To anyone out there who teaches Finale (over the course of a > > semester): > > > > Could you contact me privately? I'd love to swap syllabi to see the > > chronology you take. I've done the class a couple of different ways > > but am not completely satisfied with either ordering of topics. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Carolyn > > > > > > On 8/7/07, Carolyn Bremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi David: > >> > >> The class is taught every fourth semester and so the last time it was > >> taught, students were on 05 or 06. The lab computers will probably be > >> on 07 when I teach it in the spring with some of the laptop users on > >> 08. All those different keystrokes ought to be fun... > >> > >> You handle bugs any way you can. Find kludge workarounds or ignore > >> them for now. There is so much for them to learn that the > >> non-centering of a hyphen is easy to write off. > >> > >> As for the 9-key enharmonic flip issue, it is something I have not > >> run > >> into yet. (Why? I don't know. Luck?). But, I don't make them enter > >> new > >> music every week when the task at hand is something different such as > >> page layouts or percussion maps. They don't have as much opportunity > >> to create 9-key enharmonic flip problems as the work from partially > >> completed files already. > >> > >> As for the SIbelius users, some stay with Finale because of > >> familiarity. I don't think it is often a matter of deciding one > >> program is better than the other -- they see the strengths and > >> weaknesses of both programs -- but they now know how to do most > >> everything they need in Finale, so why bother to learn the steps > >> to do > >> it in Sibelius. Some back to Sibelius because they don't have $250 to > >> buy Finale. Some go back to Sibelius because they prefer it, too. > >> > >> By the way, the thing that keeps the class full each time seems to be > >> the last assignment. I take them through basic Illustrator skills and > >> then have them replicate a system from a George Crumb piece. Then the > >> realize they can create a thing of beauty. Something for the fridge. > >> > >> -Carolyn > >> > >> > >> On 8/7/07, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Carolyn wrote: > >>>> I teach at Cal State Long Beach, in a department that's 40-50% > >>>> music ed > >>>> majors. They get some Sibelius instruction early on. Even still, > >>>> almost > >>>> half the ed majors use Finale. A majority of the other music > >>>> students > >>>> use Finale and about 30 of 35 comp majors. We never require them to > >>>> choose one or the other. > >>>> > >>>> What they all come to realize is that both programs take work to > >>>> learn > >>>> and they tend to make their choices based on what their friends > >>>> use, as > >>>> they'll be their sources for help. Of course some choose by > >>>> which ever > >>>> one they can find in bootleg. Only a small handful ask about the > >>>> learning curve. Money and friends with knowledge seem much more > >>>> important. > >>>> > >>>> I teach the advanced Finale class and find that not just the > >>>> composers > >>>> are interested. I usually get one or two Sibelius users as well. > >>>> Less > >>>> than half return to Sibelius after the class. > >>>> > >>>> Beginning next spring, all majors will be required to take a > >>>> basic tech > >>>> class so they can negotiate a simple recording and a basic > >>>> score. We'll > >>>> gladly offer PC and Mac versions for both Finale and Sibelius. > >>>> I'll be > >>>> interested to see the enrollment numbers in the various sections. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Thank you for sharing this with us -- I agree that many people > >>> who don't > >>> know about a technology area will follow the lead of their peers, > >>> since, > >>> as you point out, their local tech support will be their friends. > >>> > >>> Please keep us posted on what you observe with that basic tech class > >>> (what a great idea for a requirement -- I'm sure more and more music > >>> departments will be requiring such things in the coming years). > >>> > >>> It would be interesting to learn (although I can't begin to > >>> figure out > >>> how one would do this) about the reasons for people to take your > >>> advanced Finale course, and then to remain with Finale rather than > >>> return to Sibelius (if that was what they started with.) One > >>> reason may > >>> well be that with Finale, once one is shown how to use the great > >>> adjustability to advantage, it becomes much less scary, and is > >>> indeed > >>> one of the greatest strengths of Finale. > >>> > >>> How did you handle the hyphen issue and the 9-key enharmonic flip > >>> bug in > >>> Speedy Entry? Did you not get into situations where those might > >>> arise, > >>> or is everybody there still working with Fin2006 or earlier? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> David H. 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