At 12:44 PM -0800 2/23/08, Chuck Israels wrote:
HI Darcy,

I haven't been following all of this discussion (sorry), but there is a not so superficial issue with scordatura for anything but short passages. Players depend on deeply ingrained kinesthetic patterns for controlling their instruments (obviously), and some are more adept at the cerebral re-patterning that goes with different tunings than others. I can play the cello a little, and the bass tuned in 5ths (too much real estate to cover for my taste, but some people find it advantageous), but comfortable access to the hand movements and fingerings I need in the heat of jazz improvisation I can only get in my "home" tuning of 4ths. I know this is a limitation of my brain function, but I don't believe I am alone in being disturbed and a little distanced from my musical responses when I have to cope with unfamiliar tunings. I'm sure this can be overcome with practice, (people double on clarinet and saxophone, and some know the old system of clarinet fingering and can switch back and forth from it with relative ease) but not everyone wants to do it.

Hi, Chuck, and you're absolutely right, and it's no limitation of your brain function. You can't do something you've never done before unless you learn to do it and practice doing it. The most obvious example is that most classically-trained players and singers can't perform jazz and do it not only with proper styles but with intuitive instincts for what is right, let alone improv. (The opposite, of course, is also true.)

And you're also right that not everyone WANTS to do it. Fine. The point, then, is that folks should not seek employment in a situation where they will be required to do things they haven't learned to do, not that they couldn't learn to do them if they wanted to. Passive resistance to specific instructions or requests by a composer simply show a too highly developed lack of any sense of adventure.

Perhaps orchestral auditions should include a warning that the players will be expected to make any adjustments to conventional techniques required by the composers whose music is played. How about it, Ray; would professional orchestra players agree to that, or are they too hidebound conservative? There must be provisions for conventional unconventional doubles, like banjo, mandolin, and of course the saxes and occasional tenor tuba. And is there an equivalent to scordatura tunings for strings in the brass and woodwind sections? (Percussionists may be more open to challenges than any other players in the orchestra!!)


Just my 2 cents.

Chuck

I'll see your 2 cents and raise you a nickel!

John


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