On Thu Dec 9, at ThursdayDec 9 7:07 PM, John Howell wrote:

> At 4:18 PM -0500 12/9/10, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> Yeah, I just had a little discussion with a client hiring the orchestra I 
>> play with. They wanted a local anthem arranged (7 minutes long, fer the love 
>> of Pete!) for full orchestra and 4 singers, and wanted to pay $300 for it! I 
>> asked $1000 and told them that it would be twice that (at least) under 
>> normal conditions, and they delayed a week while having meetings and working 
>> out financing before they finally came back and agreed. Perhaps they had 
>> priced it out elsewhere, too, which helped them to accept my bid. Worse 
>> would have been if they had hired a basement-studio pop guy who had only 
>> worked with sequencers and rhythm sections before, and who supplied 
>> sequencer output, untweaked, to the musicians.
>> 
>> I worked out afterward that what I had charged was about the equivalent of 
>> two musicians' salaries for the concert. There were 60 musicians in the 
>> orchestra! Not to mention the high-priced guest soloist, the conductor 
>> certainly didn't absorb it as part of his season's duties, and I was being 
>> screwed. Funny where they put their priorities.
> 
> Not really.  They can get PD music, score and parts, for a little over $100, 
> and a lot of rentals for no more than $300 (their original offer).  As far as 
> they're concerned that's the going rate.  Most people--especially 
> Board/business people--have no idea what custom arranging is worth, because 
> they can only compare it with readily available published music.
> 
> The music director should have known better, but may not have been involved.  
> Part of our job (always!) is education.
> 
> On the other hand, do you really think it's fair to compare your fee with 
> (union?) scale for musicians?

Your point about what they might think the going rate is, is a good one. Yes, 
we have to educate our clients.

But what was your point about comparing my arranging rate with union (yes) 
musicians' salaries? I would use that as a point for comparison, yes. I earned 
$1500 for that gig, and the part that paid $1000 took a heck of a lot more than 
twice as long as the part that paid $500.

Christopher

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