Hi Steve, If your preferred behavior were the default, many people would also not understand why, when they play a "C" on their MIDI keyboard when inputting into an alto sax staff, Finale instead sounds an "A." And, if they have the volume turned up on their keyboard, the keyboard still sounds a "C."
I understand why you want the feature you do and I think Finale should support it, but it should definitely not be the default, and the current behavior is not a bug. Meanwhile, it doesn't really seem like that big a deal to me to enter the music with "Display Score in Concert Pitch" turned on, then flip to transposed pitch after the note entry is finished. I don't have to transpose the instruments in my head to "hear" their tone qualities as I write -- it is just second nature for me to know what the range of each instrument sounds like in concert pitch as well as transposed pitch. But of course, that's the way I learned, so I'm sure it comes more naturally to me than it does to others. Cheers, - DJA ----- WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 7 Jan 2011, at 8:03 PM, Steve Parker wrote: > It doesn't seem advanced to me to hear as you enter the same pitch as you > will hear on playback. > I can understand a non-transposing score and I can understand a transposing > score sounding as above. > I just can't see any use in a transposing score that sounds irrelevant > pitches as you enter, which is Finale's behaviour. > Steve P. > > On 8 Jan 2011, at 00:10, Darcy James Argue <djar...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> I understand wanting what you want as an option, but the default >> functionality is absolutely not a bug. Holding down a C on a MIDI keyboard >> that generates its own sound causes that device to sound a C. Having Finale >> also sound an A simultaneously is going to be very confusing for most users. >> >> This feature is something only advanced users (and I suspect, users who >> spent years writing out transposed scores by hand) would understand and >> want. I use transposed scores as well, but would never want the behavior you >> suggest, and that may be a function of me having never really used pencil >> and paper much (I've been using Finale since I was 19). >> >> I believe in Sibelius this feature is an option, but it is turned off by >> default. >> >> Cheers, >> >> - DJA >> ----- >> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >> >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2011, at 5:07 PM, Steve Parker wrote: >> >>> It makes much more sense for me to work with a transposed score. >>> If I input a C into an alto sax part I should hear an A in the correct >>> octave as I input. >>> Anything else is a bug. >>> >>> Steve P. >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2011, at 20:02, Patrick Sheehan wrote: >>> >>>> Working with a C score is like none other. Transposed scores screw up my >>>> eye's ear. I always work in C scores. I suggest you give it a try. This >>>> way you can see exactly where each instrumental line is being played in >>>> real >>>> pitch. >>>> >>>> Patrick J. M. Sheehan >>>> Music Director, Instructor: Woodlawn Arts Academy >>>> P. S. Music >>>> Host: "The Saturday Blues" on 89.5 WNIJ-FM, 1 pm - 4 pm (CST) & WNIJ.org >>>> 1-815-973-2317 (m) >>>> >>>> patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:djar...@earthlink.net] >>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:38 PM >>>> To: finale@shsu.edu >>>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback in transposed scores while entering notes >>>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> There is no software solution. The solution for me has been to become >>>> accustomed to doing all my note entry in concert pitch, then flipping to >>>> transposed pitch for everything else. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> - DJA >>>> ----- >>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3 Jan 2011, at 3:36 PM, David Froom wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I have a question related to the discussion about transposed scores >>>> (scores with or without key signatures, but where instruments are notated >>>> as >>>> the players see them, so if Bb clarinet has a written C, it sounds as Bb). >>>>> >>>>> I routinely write and think in transposed scores, and write music without >>>> key signatures. So, I use the chromatic transposition setting in the staff >>>> setting, as many have been discussing. It looks right and it plays back >>>> right. No issues. If I'm copying something that has key signatures, I let >>>> the setup wizard take care of it, and once again, it looks and plays back >>>> fine. >>>>> >>>>> But ... here is what really bothers me. As I'm entering the notes in >>>> speedy, Finale plays them for me in "C." For example, I'm writing a piece >>>> right now for alto saxophone. If I want to write a C, which sounds as an >>>> Eb, I play the C on my midi keyboard, and I hear a C as I'm entering the >>>> note. If I exit speedy and play back, I hear the Eb. This is annoying, >>>> especially while editing and changing things directly in Finale, to hear >>>> the >>>> "untransposed" note while entering it. It also slows me down, as I have to >>>> transpose twice (from what I hear and play to what I want to hear, and then >>>> from what I see to what I want to hear). >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know if this is fixable? I want to hear what the player will >>>> produce, not only during playback, but as I'm entering the pitch. 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