I presume that if you save as XML and then re-import the XML into a new file, that will assign new IDs. But it may have unacceptable consequences. --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test From: "Robert Patterson" <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> Date: 7/23/16 10:50 pm To: "finale" <finale@shsu.edu>
This is Finale internals now. Sorry to bore you with techy stuff, but Finale is at heart a piece of software with internals. Despite appearances, it's not magic. Each frame (which is a single layer on a single bar of a single staff) has an ID. Once the ID is assigned it never changes. So if if you delete one and add another you'll leave a gap in the numbers. The ID is a 16-bit value. No one, least of all anyone at MM I would guess, thinks a 16-bit value makes any sense for a program in 2016. But this is a design decision that goes all the way back to the 1980s when it did make sense, and it is really, really hard to change. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote: > IDs = ? > > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > On Jul 23, 2016 9:30 PM, "Robert Patterson" <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> > wrote: > > > BTW: in theory, your id's should be able to range as high as 65535, but > > once you go past 32767 the likelihood of crash-causing bug goes up. I can > > diagnose how high your id's have gone if you want to send me a file > > offline. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Robert Patterson < > > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > > > > I just ran some tests, and as I feared, if you delete a frame (by clear > > > layer or a measure), you don't get that frame number back. So you could > > > have exceeded the 32767 id value even though your actual number of > > > assignments is smaller. I don't see an easy way to recover the missing > id > > > values either. (File Maintenance doesn't appear to do it.) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Raymond Horton < > > horton.raym...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 > > >> > > >> Raymond Horton > > >> Composer, Arranger > > >> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > >> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > >> > > >> > > >> On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" < > > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If > > >> you've > > >> > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. > > >> Finale > > >> > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who > knows > > >> how > > >> > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience > with > > >> this > > >> > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) > > >> > > > >> > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to > reset > > >> your > > >> > numbers to get rid of gaps. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas <j...@thomastudios.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven't looked at the > count > > >> is a > > >> > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I > > have > > >> > only > > >> > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > > >> > > > > >> > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too > much > > >> work > > >> > > on the back end with parts. > > >> > > > > >> > > Life goes on… > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > *************************** > > >> > > J D Thomas > > >> > > ThomaStudios > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > > >> > > <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if > > >> there > > >> > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For > any > > >> work > > >> > > with > > >> > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before > splitting > > >> > into a > > >> > > > new file. > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > Finale mailing list > > >> > > Finale@shsu.edu > > >> > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Finale mailing list > > >> > Finale@shsu.edu > > >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Finale mailing list > > >> Finale@shsu.edu > > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
