On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 11:32  AM, Max Horn wrote:

>> I found the package separately off of another site myself.
>>
>> Did I ask for help? No.
>
> You didn't use the word, correct, but you still asked for advice. "To 
> give somebody an advice" is a form of "to help somebody".
>
> Yes, I think you asked for help.

I did not ask for help or advice. I asked if anybody had problems 
contacting the site. Simple. That was it. Don't try to put words in my 
mouth because you made an assumption and it turned out to be wrong. That 
is just bad form.

>> Did I say the package was giving me problems? Again ... no. I asked if 
>> anybody else was having trouble contacting the site and the whole url 
>> was not an issue as it is the entire site itself that is down. No ftp 
>> or http access - period.
>
> You asked for advice. You did post a very vague question, saying "I 
> don't recall the package off the top of my head but that is the address 
> used.". IMHO this is rude beheaviour. It means that you are not willig 
> to spend 5 minutes to find out & tell us the exact circumstances of 
> your problem, yet you still expect others to spend time to help you.
>
> Recommended reading: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htm

Five minutes? And how do you suggest it could be found in five minutes, 
eh?Also you will note the quoted "question" ended with a period meaning 
it was a statement not a question or query. I posted the exact 
circumstances of my problem. The inability to contact 
www.freedesktop.org.

>> I said recently installed fink via CVS to any person with some 
>> semblance of intelligence that means the most recent version available.
>
> It tells us only that at some point you used CVS. That could very well 
> be 3 months ago, or ten minutes. So basically tells exactly nothing.

I said recently. Namely before I attempted the self update. That was my 
error to not be more specific in that case.

>> Do you want the fink version or the fink command version? Aha! I'm not 
>> the only one who isn't always specific.
>
> If you want to be a nitpicker, then first check what you say. Then you 
> would have discovered that "fink --version" prints out the distro 
> version *and* the package manager version.

You were the one requesting details because you assumed I was asking for 
help/advice when I was not. I was asking if others had trouble 
contacting a site, period. A question you didn't answer in your original 
reply.

>> As for expending minimal effort I asked a simple question about an 
>> unreachable address and I had to sit through half an hour of downloads 
>> at T1 speed to even get to the failed install and I was not interested 
>> in doing that again after doing it four or five times in a row. I 
>> haven't always had this superfast connection and the downloads 
>> probably would have taken nearly a day on a modem.
>
> I can understand that, but that opens a whole new issue. If you install 
> stuff with fink, then it normally only downloads once and saves the 
> result. If you have to redownload the stuff over and over again, 
> something is obviously wrong with your setup.

Fink was failing to save anything when the update-all failed if I am 
recalling correctly. Even though I wasn't asking for advice I have 
gotten it. I guess Ill just rm -rf the /sw/ directory then and dump 
everything back on tonight.

>> Thanks for nothing, max and thanks for being rude in the process.
>
> You reap what you sow. It's not personal, just tit-for-tat.

I sowed a simple question. I reaped a rude assumption that read much 
more into my question than what was intended. But nevertheless thanks 
for the advice I didn't ask for. Anyhow let's end this here, okay, and 
leave the mailing list to more useful tit-for-tats, eh?

:)

Regards.


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