I agree with Bill 100% It IS that simple. A scan is a
"light" intrusion and trespass. It is an intelligence
gathering technique. Lets face it, the majority of
system cracks began with a scan of some sort.
Egoslayer1 implies this fact in the following:
>As soon as something intrusive is done by the scanner/attacker then you
>nail them all the way, it's all or none here, but IMHO a scan counts as none.
>>
>Egoslayer1
Personally I don't have the time to constantly monitor someone
until they escalate above a scan and begin a full scale assault.
My 2 cents -Art
At 02:52 PM 2/19/00 -0600, Bill Lavalette wrote:
>The Bottom Line is this. YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS SCANNING ANYONE'S
>MACHINE!!!!! unless it is requested by the owner/company
>
>its that simple folks the bullshit "it causes no harm" is moronic one
>nmap scan can produce 8000 email alerts seems to me that is a denial of
>service. why because a) you had no business to scan my machines b) you
>were not asked to scan my machines and c) your actions spurred off another
>action. so with this secondary and "unknown" action you have committed a
>denial of service have a nice day!
>
>We support ZERO Tolerance to any type of unauthorized network access. and
>for those of you that whine about not having the time to track these down
>maybe you should justify the business need and hire a security admin. to
>date for mere scanning I have axed over 30 DSL accounts and 20 cable
>accounts and you know what I don't feel bad at all.
>
>so for those of you tired of this rant I bid the farewell
>
>Bill Lavalette
>Network Security Administrator
>Network Disaster Recovery Systems
>Dallas Texas NOC
>http://www.ndrs.com
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Security Related [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 10:55 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Someone is scanning me
>
>>At 01:45 PM 2/18/00 -0500, Tim Sailer wrote:
>>>A scan just doesn't "happen". It's done for a reason. Nothing is illegal
>>>about walking down your block, and knocking on all the doors, but I bet
>>>you'd get someone pissed off enough to call the police, and they would
>>>make you leave.
>>
>>
>>But this is walking around the block, trying all the doorlknobs and
>windows
>>to see if they are locked.
>*********
>What about got a new scanner and just wanted to try it out, or just wanted
>to see how many machines out there HAD BO on it? maybe a research project
>to
>see what turned up on a scan?
>
>I think scanning is harmless enough that any defensive measures you want to
>take as a response are ok, but I don't think you should be contacting
>someone's ISP and causing them grief, when they caused you none.
>
>As soon as something intrusive is done by the scanner/attacker then you
>nail
>them all the way, it's all or none here, but IMHO a scan counts as none.
>
>Egoslayer1
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