Symantec acquiring Axent Technologies should not change the support 
structure that Axent/Raptor has built over the years.  in essence compared 
to Raptor, Checkpoint is the only firewall company that has not been 
acquired in the last few years.
Symantec not only bought Axent Technologies but also acquired their 
engineers.  Especially with the Symantec's L-3 acquisition a while back, 
they now have quality engineers from 3 companies instead of one.

I am predicting that NetProwler 3.5 IDS product will be eventually merge in 
the Symantec Norton Internet Security 2000 product to go head to head with 
some other unmentioned vendor in the personal Firewall/IDS space, and then 
combine Raptor Firewall/NetProwler/ITA/ESM to go head to head against 
Checkpoint/RealSecure  with a Corporate Firewall/IDS product.

So this is a blessing for ICSA, since they will again collect more money 
from Firewall vendors since they have to test all over again, because the 
products have now been combined together.  Expect lots of bugs and 
integration issues to crop up as the first/beta copies become available in 
the next few months and in about a year from now, the integrated products 
will be much better or worse, depending on your view about integrated 
products.  A year from now, is it a good firewall or a good ids or a 
mediocre both.

This also means any product knowledge that good infosec people have already 
accumulated about products will have to be totally flushed and re-acquired, 
which then allows SANS/GIAC, USENIX to revamp their material to address all 
the new changes, features, bugs, etc.

Hope this makes sense.

/m


At 08:05 AM 8/31/00 -0400, Crumrine, Gary L wrote:
>It is real easy to make statements like this without having factual data to
>back it up.   That amounts to a cheap shot.  I think time will tell if there
>are going to be any major changes.  In my daily operations, I have had some
>pretty close relations with their technical staff, along with their vendors.
>I do not get a sense of impending doom that you suggest.  Also, to compare
>this action to what happened with another company is totally unfair as well.
>I agree with one of the other person's answers.... that this was a money
>deal.. nothing more, and I think that it helps both companies strengthen
>their financial pictures.  Think about it, instant market share, non
>competing product lines, both are industry leaders... come on, it make
>perfect business sense.  I can see nothing but a stronger company emerging
>from this.  In addition, with AXENT's soon to be released entry into the
>appliance market, they look even better than before.  It made sense to buy
>now, before the big release rather than having to pay more for it later.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carric Dooley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:18 PM
> > To:   Ricky Gomez; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:      Re: Raptor Firewall
> >
> > It's not "Raptor's" firewall.  It was Axent Raptor, but they sold out to
> > (of all people) Symantec.  I would be really careful choosing this as my
> > enterprise FW solution.  You may want to hold off, or find another
> > solution altogether.  =)
> >
> >       ----- Original Message -----
> >       From: Ricky Gomez <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >       To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >       Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:05 PM
> >       Subject: Raptor Firewall
> >
> >
> >       Has anyone ever used Raptor's firewall software ? Any advice on it,
> > ADV, DISADV, I'm looking into using it.
> >
> >       Ricky Gomez
> >       Information Technology Department
> >
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