Thanks Joseph. I agree completely. That is precisely why I wanted something more, and have yet to find it.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>wrote: > Dear Roly, Dear Pedro, > > Thank you for taking this thread in a for me very interesting direction. > As you know, interesting means what I find my logical system can confirm, > improve, validate, etc. The two notes share one feature that one might > criticize, namely, that they deal essentially with present, conscious > material, whereas "information flow" almost by defintion seems to involve > components that are absent, potential, unconscious, etc. > > Similarly, the application of the Square of Opposition in Roly's reference > would at first sight appear to be explanatory, but on closer inspection, I > find everything reduced back to binary logic, arrows in a box. What has to > be added, *pace *Jakobson, is some notion of the actual dynamics of what > Roly calls "a mutual relateable framework". And let's not be too greedy: > let's get the pairwise interactions right and then see where we can go with > more complex ones. > > Cheers, > > Joseph > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roly Belfer <avi...@gmail.com> > *To:* Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> > *Cc:* fis@listas.unizar.es > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] social flow > > Dear Pedro > > Thank you! there is some sort of synchronicity here: I was just recently > thinking about Roman Jakobson and his 6 levels of semiotic analysis. > Especially the *phatic expression*, as some kind of white noise that is > necessary for the interpersonal informational "handshake". That is, an > infosphere - be it organic or more like artificial info networks - would > need to have actants operate in a mutually relateable framework (even if it > is only pairwise). > > The meaningless/senseless datum is important for establishing the lines > of communication, and perhaps some emergent properties (such as intimacy, > grouping, pre-communicative acceptance). > Do you know of any quantified work re Jakobson? (I keep > this<http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/arquitectura/rlacruz/publicaciones_archivos/dimensions_english.pdf>around > for different purposes) > > Best > Roly > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Pedro C. Marijuan < > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> wrote: > >> Dear FIS colleagues, >> >> Just a wandering thought, in part motivated by the highly formal >> contents of the other discussion track. What are the major contents, >> topics, and styles in our social, spontaneous exchanges? Seemingly the >> response is that most of those exchanges are just casual, irrelevant, >> performed for their own sake. There are scholarly references about >> that---though our own perusal of social life may quite agree. The >> information flow, the circulation of social information, becomes the >> message itself (echoing McLuhan), amorphously gluing the different >> networks of the social structure... Flowing naturally in spontaneous >> exchanges and also fabricated and recirculated by the media. Our >> talkative species needs the daily dose --otherwise mental health resents >> quite easily. >> I am these days reading Robert Trivers (2011) on self-deception and how >> the info flow we are conscious of becomes a highly self-centered >> concoction for for our own social self-promotion. I think it partially >> dovetails with the above: "we are the content." >> >> best ---Pedro >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Pedro C. Marijuán >> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group >> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud >> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) >> Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X >> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain >> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818) >> pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es >> http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ >> ------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fis mailing list >> fis@listas.unizar.es >> https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fis mailing list > fis@listas.unizar.es > https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > >
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