Andrei, maybe the concept of message as already used by Shannon and
Weaver in specific engineering contexts (this must not be always the
case) is more appropriate and also able to speak about 'information' as
what is 'in' a message 'for' a receiver. Best. Rafael
Hello Andrei - I am with you - sharing you sentiment. Information only
pertains to living organisms and entails some signals that help them
make a choice. A black hole makes no choices - it is ruled by the laws
of physics. Abiotic systems have no information. A book is a set of
signals that a reader can convert into information if they know the
language which the book is written. A book written in Urdu contains no
information for me other than this appears to be a set of signals that
contains information for a reader in the language in which this book
was written. Who reads a black hole. How does it contain information
that makes a difference. When we launch a satellite to orbit the earth
we do not say that the sun is informing the satellite how to behave.
The satellite is just following the laws of physics. It has no choice
and so it is not being informed. There are many different forms of
information (biotic and Shannon as found in the 2007 paper Propagating
Organization: An Inquiry by Kauffman, Logan et al. in Biology and
Philosophy 23: 27-45) so we do not need to complicate things even
more by ascribing the laws of physics as the communication of
information.
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On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:17 AM, Andrei Khrennikov
<andrei.khrenni...@lnu.se <mailto:andrei.khrenni...@lnu.se>> wrote:
Dear all,
I want to comment so called information approach to physics, by
speaking with hundreds of leading experts
in quantum foundations, I found that nobody can define rigorously the
basic term "information" which is so widely
used in their theories and discussions, the answers are as
"information is the basic entity" which cannot be defined
in other terms. Well, my impression is that without novel
understanding and definition of information all these "theories"
are practically empty, well very good mathematical exercises. May be I
am too critical... But I spent so much time by trying
to understand what people are talking about. The output is ZERO.
all the best, andrei
Andrei Khrennikov, Professor of Applied Mathematics,
Int. Center Math Modeling: Physics, Engineering, Economics, and
Cognitive Sc.
Linnaeus University, Växjö, Sweden
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Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?
John:
The article describes very really the conflicting attitudes.
Interesting to see the diverse arguments together.
I agree, some think so, some do not. I do the latter, but this does
not make any matter.
Gyuri
On 2016.11.03. 19:52, John Collier wrote:
Apparently some physicists think so.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tangled-up-in-spacetime/?WT.mc_id=SA_WR_20161102
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Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal
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