This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lori,
I just wanted to say you wrote a very well thoughtout 'article'....reply, whatever you want to call it. I enjoyed reading it and didn't feel that it was 'ranting' at all. I agree very much with what you said. I am just starting my 'pre-lim' search for another horse but am so wary of getting sucked in and ending up with a horse that is more then I can handle or isn't what I thought he/she would be! I think this thread has been very enlightening to me and has given me some new perspective on things...more things to consider :-) There are just so very many levels of greenbroke to trained...handling issues, temperament, rider abilities, the list goes on and on. I checked out your website! Beautiful!! and I love the one guy you have for sale at the moment!! he is gorgeous!!! Reena ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Albrough To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: The canter and being greenbroke (was Re: Prejudice against Fjords??) This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Genie Dethloff wrote: > > I have a friend, whose opinion I trust, that thinks that it is wrong to > wait, especially since canter is not their preferred gait. January 2005 Dressage Today magazine had an article called "Closing the Gap" with the tagline: When will "North-American bred" have the same cachet as "imported from Europe". The article is geared towards sporthorse (warmblood) breeding and training, however I think this quote by Scott Hassler has relevance to the current discussion on the Fjord list. He says "Our good horses are not given the chance to compete against Europe's good horses because of the training. It's that simple. We need to get our young horses ridden better." In particular, Hassler says "Our young horses are not ridden in a way that is safe, competent, or marketable. We see them in a very hunter-style frame (strung out). They don't canter for the first time for six or eight months." This statement pretty much sums up the prevailing state of Fjord horse training too -- where we see horses who have no concept of contact, or giving to the bit, or moving off the leg, and who have been under saddle for months and months and even years without cantering. These horses amazingly are being marketed as riding horses. We see mature fjord horses being sold as riding horses with "just learning his leads" in the fine print - yet the word greenbroke never appears. We see horses marketed as ride/drive who don't canter and never have - just trot faster, Faster, FASTER! A riding horse must canter, he must canter on the aid, he must canter on the correct lead (99% of the time, mistakes can happen) and he must canter in a reasonably balanced, reasonably round frame. Or he ain't a riding horse. I've heard people say "we haven't cantered him yet because he's not mature skeletally" - my question is, if he's not sufficiently mature skeletally, then what are you doing on his back?? So many horses are backed young to get them sold but the education seems to not proceed in an orderly fashion. They end up ridden for years before the canter is introduced and at that point it can come as quite a shock. I bought one of these horses who was ridden walk/trot only for a long time, and it took three very determined people and two lunge whips to convince her that she could and she would canter under tack. From there she did beautifully but I think it is kinder and makes more sense to let the horse grow up to say 3.5 or 4 years old, start him under tack and then teach him what he needs to know: walk trot AND canter. Take your time, of course, but don't waste time. In Reiner Klimke's book "Basic Training of the Young Horse" in the section "At what age is a horse ready to be ridden?" he states that a warmblood horse (and I think Fjords mature similarly to warmbloods) should not be ridden before 3.5 yrs and talks about some of his Olympic mounts and what age they were backed: Winzerin (4 yrs), Aracadius (4 yrs), Fabiola (3.5 yrs), Ahlerich (4 yrs). He says "I am convinced that had I started these horses earlier I would not have been so successful." In other words, he was not successful IN SPITE of the late start, but successful BECAUSE of it. This is not a viewpoint you will hear often (in fact Scott Hassler quoted above is in favor of starting them before they are three years old). My own coach comes from a European background and over the years her methods have become my methods. All my horses, which are started under saddle at either 3.5 or 4 years, canter under saddle from the very beginning of the training. Depending on the individual horse, it will be somewhere between the 3rd to the 10th time they have a rider on their back. Each session from then on, they will work in walk trot and canter for short daily rides of 15 to 20 minutes, walk trot and canter both ways. There is nothing mysterious about cantering, but if we don't TRAIN IT, how are our Fjordhorses supposed to have first the knowledge and second the strength required to DO IT in a correct balanced fashion? Dismounting my soapbox and cantering off..... Lori Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield Ontario http://www.bluebirdlane.com