Where does it say that Apple is dropping support for plugins like Flash on Mac 
OSX?

I can't see that happening. I can't even imagine how they'd do it if they 
wanted to.

Guy


On 03/05/2010, at 10:00 AM, Laurence wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton <g...@...> wrote:
> >
> > Jeez...it's *three* devices, and you *do* have a choice...
> 
> It's gonna be a hell of a lot more than just 3 portable devices, when Jobs 
> removes Flash from OSX. That's every Mac in the world. There are a LOT of 
> Macs out there...
> 
> The whole reason I chose to learn Flex is that it (at the time) ran on every 
> available platform. It was THE cross-platform language to learn.
> 
> > 
> > You're annoyed because you're being shut out of a market you want to be in, 
> > but your arguments as to why you should be allowed into that market are 
> > specious. 
> 
> My arguments are not specious -- I *was* a part of that market at one time. 
> I'm being shut out of a market through NO FAULT OF MY OWN. Every Apple 
> product in the world will soon have zero support for Flash -- that's NOT what 
> I signed up for when I learned Flex. The MAIN REASON I learned Flex was for 
> its cross-platform capabilites. I never had to worry about what system my 
> programs were running on. Now Apple is gone from that equation -- ergo 25% of 
> my customers just disappeared, unless I can get them all to buy PCs. Thanks, 
> Steve!
> 
> > 
> > If you buy an iPod/Pad/Phone, you buy it as is, knowing what it can and 
> > can't do. It can't do Flash. If you don't like that, don't buy the device, 
> > it's really very simple. If you want to hack it to make it capable of 
> > running Flash, then sure, go ahead, no-one is going to sue you. You might 
> > not be able to claim on your warranty or update the OS once you do that 
> > but, yes, it's your choice if you want to go that way. Most people don't 
> > because most people can actually live without Flash, believe it or not.
> 
> I agree with you here -- knowing in advance that it doesn't run Flash is a 
> good thing, and people can then make a choice accordingly. It just really 
> angers me if I were to own a device and some entity somewhere tells me I 
> cannot run my own software on it. I would be ranting against MS or Linux just 
> as angrily, if they were to suddenly come out and say I couldn't run a 
> particular piece of software just because they "don't like it anymore." (And, 
> yes I read that article where MS says that HTML5 is the 'future of the 
> internet.' They said nothing about removing Flash support from Microsoft 
> Windows in that article. Steve Jobs IS going to remove Flash from all Apple 
> products everywhere -- THAT'S my problem with this!)
> 
> > 
> > If you want to develop for the iP*, then learn objective C or use 
> > HTML5/Javascript. If you don't then don't. Again, it's a simple choice you 
> > can make.
> 
> It's NOT a simple choice -- learning a whole other programming language is 
> not a simple task. Before old Steve-o came out against Flash, I could write 
> one program that would work on Windows, Linux, and Mac. Now Mac is gone from 
> that equation -- thanks to some facist prick who thinks he knows everything 
> that everyone else should do.
> 
> > Technologies change, sometimes their fortunes rise and sometimes they fall. 
> > Flash has been the undisputed winner in the RIA wars up till now. Jobs is 
> > betting the future of the iP* platform on HTML5. Maybe he's wrong about it, 
> > but maybe he isn't. Time will tell.
> 
> Yes, technologies do change -- but it should be the free market that 
> determines which technologies survive and which don't, not some ivory-tower 
> egghead who determines by fiat what's best for everyone. THAT'S why I called 
> Steve Jobs a bastard. Perhaps I should've said elitist bastard to make it 
> clearer.
> 
> I truly DESPISE it when ONE person has the power to mess up things in my 
> life. If everyone decided ON THEIR OWN to stop using Adobe Flash, that would 
> be a completely different story -- the majority would have spoken, and I 
> could more easily accept the outcome. But Jobs is simply deciding that he 
> knows best, and we're going to all follow him because he's so damn smart. 
> THAT is not the free market!
> 
> 

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