Sure... just package your code you wrote in a class with all the metadata defined, and use as a tag in Flex 2.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Renaun Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? With Flex and AS3 we could write our own AMF0 RemoteObject component, and yes it would be nice to have Adobe do it for us. I believe if Adobe doesn't somebody will do it by the time Flex2 is finalized. I have thought about it quite a bit, but havenn't been able to figure out how to set up the class/component correctly. Jesse, any ideas on making a AMF0 RemoteObject component? Renaun --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, so I was right. > > All jesse is saying is 8.5 wont break the millions of apps that are > out there right now. > > Just an inch shy of meaningless. (no offense jesse). > > What I am talking about is being able to have 8.5 AVM2 based apps talk > to AMF0 and all the existing server installations that are out there > right now. > > I want to be able to do 2 things. > > 1. Port my existing flash code to 8.5 without needing to rewrite major > pieces of low level client side remoting code that was previously part > of the flash baseline. > > 2. I want to be able to speak MXML to my existing AMF0 based server > code the same way the rest of the kids on the block do it - with a > RemoteObject. I dont want to use some ghetto APIs or tags that are > not as clean as everyone elses. Using MXML with my existing server > infrastructure should not be hard, even if it is not as fast as the > new AMF3 stuff is. > > Regards > Hank > > > > > > On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Er, Flash 9 Blaze... you knew what I meant. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JesterXL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > Just to confirm, this link has as Flash Player 7 movie created in Flash MX > > 2004 using Remoting, and a Flex 1.5 Flash Player 7 movie using RemoteObject, > > both use AMFPHP. This link works in my Firefox 1.5 using the alpha Flash > > Player 8.5: > > > > http://www.jessewarden.com/archives/2005/06/flash_flex_amfp.html > > > > I did nothing to those Flash movies to get them to work in Flash Player 8.5; > > they just do. > > > > Neither take advantage of AVM3. To do that, 3 things need to happen: > > - I need to port the Flex 1.5 app to Flex 2 > > - I need to port the Flash MX 2004 app to Flash 8 (Blaze, not out yet) > > - both need AMFPHP needs to support AMF3, which AMFPHP doesn't yet > > > > Therefore, when released, Flash Player 8.5 will play all the millions of > > existing websites the same as they do now. However, none of them will take > > advantage of the following without re-coding: > > - AS3's speed > > - Flash Player 8.5's new features > > - AMF3 > > > > So, for all content created in Flash 8/Flex 1.5, Flash Player 8.5 will > > detect this, and use the old AVM and the old AMF. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Chotin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:25 PM > > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > Jesse is correct and you're mis-interpreting Phil. The new AVM can > > communicate using AMF0 if you set that flag on NetConnection. You can > > then use NetConnection directly against the older server. Additionally > > AMF3 is not available in the older AVM, it's only available in the new > > AVM and the code that we are writing for Flex does take advantage of it > > (since it runs in the new AVM). > > > > Matt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of hank williams > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:21 PM > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > Jesse, > > > > What your are saying sounds great. But it sounds different than what > > philip is saying. > > > > It sounds like you are saying that my current code will work in 8.5 > > with the new AVM2 but I will have to use the AMF0 flag which means it > > will be less efficient. > > > > It sounds like what philip is saying is that in 8.5 you will have to > > use the old AVM that is embedded in 8.5 to use AMF0 and the old > > remoting. This is not great because it is impossible to run AVM and > > AVM2 code in the same SWF. So if my interpretation of what Philip is > > saying is correct, then this has no "migration value". It is merely > > saying the new player wont just break the millions of existing sites > > out there which you dont really get a gold star for. > > > > So, Which one of these two scenarios is correct. > > > > Regards > > Hank. > > > > On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Flash will be backwards compatible, like always. However, you'll > > either > > > have to use AMF0 for the defaultObjectEncoding property of > > > flash.net.NetConnection to allow it to work with old content. The > > optimized > > > changes to AMF packets + serialization/deserialization means that > > projects > > > like OpenAMF & AMFPHP will have to be modified to take advantage of > > them; > > > aka, read the new AMF format. > > > > > > I don't know how different the format is, but it wouldn't jump from > > AMF0 to > > > AMF3 if it didn't rock. Therefore, old content will still work as > > usually, > > > and you can still use Remoting with AMFPHP & OpenAMF. I've already > > tested > > > my existing content in Flash Player 8.5 and it works. > > > > > > What I've yet to see work yet is AMFPHP using AMF3, but I wouldn't > > expect > > > Patrick & the AMFPHP crew to start working on it until the player is > > in > > > later betas. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > Philip, > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to respond to this issue. I do > > appreciate it. > > > > > > But I do have a bit of a concern with what you are saying. It sounds > > > like you are saying that because of improvments in architecture or > > > performance, old style AMF remoting may not be possible, or may not be > > > possible easily. > > > > > > This just doesnt sound right. > > > > > > These are pretty high level Async protocols, and I cannot imagine any > > > speed or architectural change that would cause such things to be > > > unsuportable. Moreover the documentation and others from macromedia > > > have said that the low level protocol is supported just not the higher > > > layers. > > > > > > So, I appreciate your responding, but it would really be helpful to > > > understand the technical issues that cause you or others to say that > > > because of the AVM changes that this stuff may not be supportable. > > > Because, to me, it sounds like saying "due to speed and architecture > > > changes flash can no longer support the color RED". > > > > > > Regards > > > Hank > > > > > > On 12/16/05, Philip Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Sorry I'm jumping in late on this thread, but I was out of the > > office > > > > and I've been having email problems. > > > > > > > > To follow up on Matt's comment, you have to recognize that with this > > > > public alpha, we are releasing into the wild much earlier than > > usual, so > > > > not everything is resolved. We recognize that AS3/Flex 2 is a big > > change > > > > and that moving to it will require some people to rewrite > > code/change > > > > infrastructure. Part of the reason for releasing early is to make > > sure > > > > we struck the right balance between improving the architecture > > (which > > > > often causes breakage) and breaking things (which causes pain). The > > > > discussion here is definitely helpful in this regard. > > > > > > > > With Flex 2/AS3, we did not set out to break compatibility with > > existing > > > > Remoting implementations, but that may be a reality of the big > > changes > > > > we are making. As with every change, you have to make trade-offs > > between > > > > keeping backward compatibility and fixing things for the future. Our > > > > goal is to build a solid technical foundation that we can use in our > > own > > > > products and that others can use in their products; with this > > release, > > > > we decided making some painful changes was the right choice for the > > > > long-term. > > > > > > > > To address the specific question about Remoting, we will have more > > > > information about the future of other Adobe/Macromedia products that > > use > > > > Remoting soon as well as information about how other products that > > rely > > > > on AMF can make the migration to AS3. But I do want to set the > > > > expectation that this is going to be a migration, not an upgrade. > > Player > > > > 8.5 will continue to run content/applications published to Player 8 > > and > > > > below, but to take advantage of the radical performance and > > functional > > > > improvements in the new AVM, some things will have to be > > reimplemented. > > > > We are absolutely committed to helping the developer community make > > that > > > > change, whether they are buying Flex, Remoting or CF from us or > > > > something like AMFPHP, but at the moment we're in the middle of > > making > > > > that change ourselves, so you will have to be patient. > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > > > > > Phil Costa > > > > Group Product Manager, Flex > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > > > > Behalf Of hank williams > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:25 AM > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > To add just a little color to this, I use java on the server side, > > but > > > > POJOs are useless to me because I return almost all my data as > > > > ResutSet/RecordSet's. There are a variety of reasons for this > > including > > > > the pageablerecordset capability, but the bottom line is that's how > > I do > > > > it. Rewriting the old recordset code that supports AMF1, to me, is > > not > > > > at all sensitive to the needs of the developer base. And again, we > > > > don't even know if its possible. > > > > > > > > Matt from Adobe just said that he does not expect to be breaking > > > > anyone's workflows, but I am not sure if that just meant Brian, who > > is > > > > using Cold Fusion, but not FlapFlap since he is using AMFPHP. Given > > that > > > > PHP is currently the most popular server side tool in the world some > > > > statement of support for AMF1 would be helpful. > > > > > > > > But there are others that think that since AMFPHP is an open source > > > > "hack" and that Adobe has no obligation to maintain API > > compatibility or > > > > continuity with any existing protocol. Instant deprecation is no > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > If this is Adobe's position on this issue and to open source in > > general > > > > - or not, I would love to hear it directly from Adobe in clear, no > > > > nonsense terms. > > > > > > > > Therefore, if any Adobe management is listening, and if appropriate, > > > > just detach the below letter, sign and return. I will forward to the > > > > appropriate constituencies. > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ----------------- > > > > December 16, 2006 > > > > > > > > From: Adobe > > > > To: Open Source Community > > > > Non Cold Fusion/FDS users > > > > PHP Users > > > > > > > > RE: The needless breaking of your existing server communication > > > > solution > > > > > > > > > > > > Screw You. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warmest Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Signed Adobe Management Team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------ > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Brian Lesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > This thread started with a query regarding using the open source > > AMF > > > > > PHP software that a number of people have been using for some time > > to > > > > > build Flash/AMF/PHP based applications. Developers in that space > > > > > naturally want to continue to use the server-side code base (in > > PHP) > > > > > they have been building out along with the new standalone Flex 2 > > IDE > > > > and AS3. > > > > > However, it appears from the Alpha, and from what I gather Mike > > has > > > > > been saying, that this will not be possible without reinventing a > > > > > number of > > > > > AS3 classes such as RecordSet from scratch. Perhaps worse, though > > I am > > > > > > > > > not into PHP, is that it may not be possible at all if any code > > relied > > > > > > > > > on the NetConnection.addHeader() method. This useful, public, and > > > > > documented method of the NetConnection class has not been > > implemented > > > > > and is still under discussion within Adobe. So, unless I'm missing > > > > > something in what you wrote, I don't think it is reasonable to > > suggest > > > > > > > > > PHP developers simply switch to using Web services and Java POJOs. > > > > > I always understood that something like AS3 would to some degree > > have > > > > > to break AS2 and AS1 code and that at some point a new document > > object > > > > > > > > > model might break many APIs. But I do not believe Adobe has to > > > > > completely break everyone's Flash Remoting applications from end > > to > > > > end. > > > > > I sincerely hope that NetConnection.addHeader reappears in the > > beta. I > > > > > > > > > also hope that if Adobe doesn't do it, someone else will come up > > with > > > > > a solid AS3 RecordSet implementation that works flawlessly. I > > wish I > > > > > knew for certain if that was even possible. > > > > > I also think this discussion should give everyone pause. Imagine > > it is > > > > > > > > > 20 months from now. Perhaps, like the ill fated Flash Remoting > > Gateway > > > > > > > > > Servlet MM tried to sell at $999/CPU, the essential parts of Flex > > Data > > > > > > > > > Services will be reverse engineered and available as open source > > for a > > > > > > > > > number of different server-side technologies. Will Adobe once > > again > > > > > rewrite everything to make it better and in the process break all > > its > > > > > public APIs? Will every Java developer be left wondering if Adobe > > is > > > > > just trying to remonetize AMF or if they just don't have the > > > > > financial/developer resources to retire an API gracefully? > > > > > In any case, some caution about breaking third party developer's > > > > > applications from end to end seems appropriate. > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > > Dave Wolf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I don't understand why you can't simply use <mx:WebService/> to > > > > > >replace <mx:RemoteObject> in most cases. Using AXIS you can use > > the > > > > > >exact same POJO you might have used in a <mx:RemoteObject/> and > > do so > > > > > > > > > >without the need for any gateway. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >Dave Wolf > > > > > >Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > > >Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > > > >http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>As far as I know there is not yet. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>There was some discussion about this on the flashcoders list > > when > > > > > >>flex2 came out. I made a pretty big deal about the fact that the > > > > > >>docs seem to indicate that standard remoting will not be > > something > > > > > >>that is supported. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Mike Chambers (a MM employee) indicated that it was supported. > > But > > > > > >>what he meant was that it was supported at a super low level and > > you > > > > > > > > > >>would essentially have to write all the low level remoting code > > for > > > > > >>this. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>It seemed pretty clear to me that their intent was to, ahem, > > > > > >>**encourage** remoting users to buy cold fusion or Flex Data > > > > > >>Services, in order to do painless remoting, and that they were > > > > > >>essentially orphaning anyone who was not doing remoting with one > > of > > > > > >>their pricey gateways. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Now, perhaps this post will bring adobe employees out of the > > > > > >>woodwork crying foul and saying I am wrong. But the fact that > > there > > > > > >>is any ambiguity about this isssue, is, in and of itself, a real > > > > problem. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>The fact that that there is not some strong statement of > > continued > > > > > >>**full** support for traditional remoting is, to me, shameful. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Regards > > > > > >>Hank > > > > > >> > > > > > >>On 12/15/05, Flapflap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>Hi there, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Because RemoteObject isn't available on Alpha is there a way to > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >use flex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>2 with amf php ? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Thanks... > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>By the way : Hello World ! > > > > > >>> I'm new to this list. > > > > > >>>-- > > > > > >>>Flapflap > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>-- > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Brian Lesser > > > > > Assistant Director, Teaching and Technology Support Computing and > > > > > Communications Services Ryerson University 350 Victoria St. > > > > > Toronto, Ontario Phone: (416) 979-5000 ext. 6835 > > > > > M5B 2K3 Fax: (416) 979-5220 > > > > > Office: AB48D E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > (Enter through LB66) Web: > > http://www.ryerson.ca/~blesser > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > > > > FAQ: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > > > > Search Archives: > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > Yahoo! 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