Franck, Let me disagree with regards to .NET. Our product (WebORB) offers the same support for RemoteObjects in .NET as FDS for Java. In fact, now we also can claim the same support for Ruby objects as well.
So I am still curious where RemoteObjects would be inferior to Web Services. Anyone? Thanks, Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Franck de Bruijn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For the .Net guys, remote objects is pretty much out of the questions, since > remote objects are tightly integrated with the FDS sytem (JAVA-based) which > needs to run in a JAVA environment. > > > > _____ > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Piller > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:36 PM > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - > which provides > > > > " In the cases where you cannot use remote objects, web services still > work great" > > Andrew, do you have any examples when one would not be able to use > remote objects? I am interested to know if you have any technical > reasons, rather than just economical. > > Cheers, > Mark > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com, > "Andrew Trice" <andrew.trice@> > wrote: > > > > OK, so I've watching this thread going back and forth over and over... > > Now it's time for my two cents. It looks like this thread began by > > someone saying that you cannot use web services in a real world flex > > application. I've got to agree with Dave on this. You definitely can, > > and we have done it numerous times here at Cynergy. > > > > > > > > Are there tradeoffs? Yes. As others have said already in the post: > > The decision on what mechanism to use should be dealt with on a case by > > case basis. Let's consider a few things: > > > > > > > > 1. Do the web services already exist and can they handle the > > current load? If they do, use them. Why reinvent the wheel? > > 2. Yes, there is a performance advantage to using AMF, but most > > users will not notice the difference in transport speed... it is > > fractions of a second. If your application is properly architected and > > your backend is optimized, the end user will never know the difference. > > > > > > > > I personally like using remote objects, but not every solution allows > > for this. In the cases where you cannot use remote objects, web > > services still work great. SOAP is a very verbose protocol, but by no > > means is it unusable. If that were the case, why would web services be > > so prevalent? Why would there be all the buzz about service oriented > > architectures? > > > > > > > > If you feel that a web service is too verbose or too slow, and you can't > > use remote objects, then use a HTTPService to return XML. There are > > many solutions. It really all boils down to how you use and retrieve > > your data and depends on your requirements and application architecture. > > If the processing time on the server is too much for your application to > > handle, then chances are there is a problem with your application's back > > end, not the webservice/serialization layer. > > > > > > > > To generalize and say that you should never use a web service is a very > > big mistake. > > > > > > > > -Andy > > > > _____________________________________ > > > > Andrew Trice > > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergysystems.com> ystems.com > > > > > > > > Blog: http://www.cynergys > <http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/page/andrewtrice> > ystems.com/blogs/page/andrewtrice > > > > Email: andrew.trice@ > > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Jack Caldwell > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:40 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > > Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend > > systems - which provides > > > > > > > > Martin: > > > > > > > > OK . . . . so the lag time is when the data gets back to the end-user? > > > > > > > > Bottom line . . . . with all things being equal . . . . > > > > > > > > Does a web service request take longer to process on the server than > > > > a AMF request? > > > > > > > > If the answer is . . . . in general yes, then that can be an issue with > > an > > > > increase in users. > > > > > > > > If the answer is . . . . it depends on the data being requested and/or > > the > > > > data format then that seems to suggest that everyone must run tests to > > > > compare results and then test again based on scaling up. > > > > > > > > Is that about right? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Martin Wood > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:13 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > > Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend > > systems - which provides > > > > > > > > Jack Caldwell wrote: > > > Dave: > > > > > > I agree that a 1/3 of a second is not going to be noticed by the > > end-user. > > > > > > However, when you add 100s or 1,000s of users . . . . does that make a > > > difference? > > > > > > I don't know . . . . that's why I am asking. You guys have the > > experience. > > > > It doesn't make any difference as the timings are on the client side, > > not the > > server. > > > > There will be some difference in time required to handle requests on the > > server > > which may be down to the data format but they would have to be > > investigated on a > > case by case basis. > > > > martin. > > > -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
