I agree that there is room in the RIA space for another player. I think that MS has a few things going against it for this launch. First off it's a new plugin with little real world experience. It is going to take a long time for the market to become saturated enough for it to be relevant. It took many years for the Flash Player to gain acceptance, and it's still not a total success (read any posting on slashdot that is related to Flash to see what I mean). Throw on top of that Microsofts reputation in Internet Security and you have a user base that will be uneasy with the install.
I see this going one of two ways. Silverlight takes more than 2 years to reach saturation, partially fueled by the reluctance of the population to upgrade to Vista. This causes developers to choose other options which in turn drive the next big web trend beyond RIA. Or Sliverlight is a moderate success and everyone is happy. Or (sorry, I just thought of this so it's actually 3 ways) Silverlight is a big success and clever developers like myself (I do totally rock ;) blend Flash, Flex, Silverlight and some other new emerging technologies that in turn drive innovation away from all the current RIA platforms to something far more advanced. This fits into my demented belief that the web is doomed to failure and something better is bound to replace it before it ends up killing us all. I can't say right now that I am totally excited about Silverlight. I would like to take a look at it and see what it can do. Paul deCoursey --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott, > > > Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, > but i think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of "MS is evil, > watch them" mentality. > > I assure you that undertone wasn't purposeful. I did flub the Sparkle > reference, but then again, most people misunderstood what Sparkle was > and the general understanding at large was the Sparkle was WPF/E. > Code words are supposed to be confusing right? :=) > > As you said, aiming at that would have just undone the message I was > trying to get out. > > Worth noting BTW, I am a MSFT Alumnus. > > -- > Dave Wolf > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > Adobe Flex Alliance Partner > http://www.cynergysystems.com > http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Barnes" <scott.barnes@> > wrote: > > > > Dave.C, > > > > Dave.W gets it :) He understands that the RIA space is not exclusive > to one > > company but many, while I get the undercurrent of his blog-speech, I do > > however disagree with the "dark evil plotting" - MIX isn't because MAX > > exists, its actually because it's intent is to showcase a MIX of > Microsoft > > Technologies in the one spot, consolidated. Usually PDC / TechEd are > > reserved for the 100% Microsoft pieces (except TechEd Australia were > we are > > hoping to mix-it-up a bit more). > > > > Furthermore, we are looking to REMIX (Australia, Melbourne, June 25th - > > 26th) in the rest of the world based off what the US version does and so > > on.. point I'm thinking folks at times amplify the paranoia around > > Microsoft ;) > > > > Secondly, Sparkle was the code-name for Expression Blend, and JOLT > was the > > code-name for Silverlight. I also get nervous when anyone uses the term > > "Missiles","Big Bang" and Microsoft. As when they do, i start to > think of > > Cult Followings and ponder if I've been duped into some mystic cult > (I'll be > > that guy running out in FBI handcuffs on Hard Copy saying "I didn't > know..I > > didn't know..") > > > > Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, > but i > > think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of "MS is evil, > watch them" > > mentality. > > > > I'm evil, Microsoft isn't though (just to clarify that). > > > > On 4/20/07, Dave Carabetta <dcarabetta@> wrote: > > > > > > I hope this isn't taken with as some sort of corporate shill for my > > > employer, as it's honestly not my intent, but Dave Wolf, Vice > President of > > > Consulting at Cynergy Systems, gives an excellent summary as to why > > > Silverlight is a phenomenally important announcement to the RIA > industry and > > > why it's not just some "copycat Flash" competitor. If you're > looking for a > > > balanced view of Silverlight's effect, check out his latest blog > entry: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/page/davewolf?entry=wake_up_and_see_the > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dave Carabetta. > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > > > On 4/18/07, Scott Barnes <scott.barnes@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Its an annoyance of mine aswell. I'm confused as to why .NET > remoting > > > > was dropped from Flash/Flex (haven't yet seen FLASH CS3 and > whether its back > > > > but yeah, no idea and all i can say is Mark's got his head > screwed on right > > > > and he can help with WebORB in that regard. Actually the Flex > Builder > > > > integration is quite stunning I must say, it left both Andrew > Shorten & I > > > > drooling @ Feb Seattle Flex UG) > > > > > > > > That so sounded like a plug didn't it :) hehe. (Sorry it wasn't > meant to > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Apr 2007 07:38:08 -0700, mvbaffa <mvbaffa@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've been working with Flex since its alpha version. Before the > > > > > release version was avaiable I had an application with AMFPHP > ready. > > > > > That is I really love Flex and i have been working with it > since it's > > > > > 1.5 version. > > > > > > > > > > But I am a .NET developer, I have a huge legacy in .NET > Framework 2.0 > > > > > and 1.1. I don't know why Adobe, up to this moment, is maintaining > > > > > exclusive focus on Java. There are a lot of .NET developers that > > > > > would like to have a server framework developed directly from > Adobe. > > > > > > > > > > Applications are not only Client, they need a strong and > consistent > > > > > server Framework. I beleive that if Adobe maintains its exclusive > > > > > focus on java it will loose, very soon a good number of .NET > > > > > developers. > > > > > > > > > > Communications Foundations is really good and it will be > better very > > > > > soon. And it's price is very good, it is free !!!!! > > > > > > > > > > I am still working on the Microsoft framework. But I beleive > that WPF > > > > > and SilverLight can be very soon a real competitive alternative. > > > > > > > > > > Marcus Baffa > > > > > NOVA Consulting > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > "Peter Demling" <pdemling@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Version 1 of Microsoft products have historically been slow, > > > > > > unapologizing in their copycat nature, and hampered by large > numbers > > > > > > of major bugs and gaps in functionality. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, their astronomical cash reserves and relentless > commitment > > > > > to > > > > > > establish market share has almost always led to vastly improved > > > > > > products in version 2 and beyond. So of course, Silverlight > is no > > > > > > match for Flex - right now. But if Microsoft sustains its > > > > > commitment, > > > > > > it's not a question of *if* it could be "almost as good" as > Flex - > > > > > > just a matter of when. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say this as a criticism of Microsoft (I use several > of their > > > > > > > > > > > products daily and love them), but rather to point out that > they are > > > > > > more of a market force than a true software company - and so the > > > > > > relative success of Silverlight (or any other MS offering) is > > > > > > pre-ordained, so long as they decide that's what they want > to do - > > > > > > it's independent of the present quality of the actual product. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Peter Demling > > > > > > Lexington, MA > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > "Scott Barnes" <scott.barnes@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Claus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, so that's why FLEX does have its unique offering vs > > > > > SilverLight and > > > > > > > once developers & designers unsubscribe from the notion it's > > > > > a "Flash > > > > > > > Killer" and do more of what you are doing (exploring it's > upcoming > > > > > > release) > > > > > > > you'll decide on what you think it's merits are vs aren't. > It's > > > > > > early days > > > > > > > yet, so wouldn't worry to much about it folks ;) just keep an > > > > > open mind > > > > > > > should you want to take it for a test-run post MIX07 :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WPF & SilverLight are going to have interesting prospects just > > > > > like > > > > > > Apollo > > > > > > > and FLEX will have it's own, I think the two will do different > > > > > > things for > > > > > > > different people. Keep fingers in all barrels I'd say :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Apr 2007 03:30:22 -0700, Claus Wahlers <claus@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read FUD crap, ignore it on both sides and just be > > > > > opened > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > idea that theres yet another channel of delivery in rich > > > > > interactive > > > > > > > > > applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reading through the Silverlight docs, XAML looks to me like > > > > > some weird > > > > > > > > kind of microsoftified SVG, spiced up with MP3 and WM > codecs. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > searching but so far i couldn't find anything close to > what Flex > > > > > > offers > > > > > > > > (what i found are some barely working and butt ugly > component > > > > > > > > experiments). I'd guess that Silverlight will get some video > > > > > market > > > > > > > > share, but it has a long way to go to enter the RIA > market. My 2 > > > > > > > > > > > centavos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Claus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > claus wahlers > > > > > > > > côdeazur brasil > > > > > > > > http://codeazur.com.br/ > > > > > > > > http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > > > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > >
