I published a "How to tell if your computer is compatible with Flex Radios" 
article on the flexradiowiki and Jim you are 100% correct that its not 
specifications, its latency (its an amateur audio workstation).

I am really excited that this part of the configuration will hopefully be 
easier for the newbie. I am sure we will be moving to a different kind of 
"applicability" in the area of LAN/ethernet latency, so all of those 
motherboards with crappy Realtek ethernet controllers (and yes, thats 99% of 
them) will have a good exercise in how well they work in this environment.

73
Neal
On May 25, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Jim Jannuzzo wrote:

> 
> Robert,I happened into a net presentation on the Flex by a Flexer.  There 
> were about 20 people on the net, including the former FCC ham radio 
> enforcement guy.   The Flexer had time to prepare his presentation in 
> advance, but I came in cold.  He spoke of how he loved the radio, and all the 
> difficulties and tribulations in setting it up.  He spent most of his 
> discussion speaking of obscure options and VAC, VSP, and third party 
> software.  When I piped in, I was asked how to set up a Flex and PC.  I 
> replied if it was as difficult as the (very nice Flexer) had said, I'd be 
> using a Yaesu.  
> My off the cuff presentation went as follows: To set up a Flex and PC, you 
> have to test the PC first, not for speed and horsepower, but for latency.  
> This is true for any 'live' audio program.  If the PC isn't working right 
> then you have to troubleshoot it.Then you plug the radio into the PC with a 
> good $30 cable, and plug the radio into a power supply.  Then you download 
> and install the software.  Then you turn the radio on and broadcast to the 
> world.   Now, when you want to get fancy, you can use the software options to 
> tune more things than any other radio. You can tune SSB audio with a built in 
> software audio rack.  You can connect third party software to do digital 
> modes without external cables.   
> But the mere existence of options does not dictate that you use them.  If a 
> new user tries to do this right away, he will come away frustrated and pissed 
> off.  Jim KJ2P               
>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
>> From: [email protected]
>> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:06:45 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Here is what I do not understand with the new radios. 
>> 
>> 1) Why no extended receive range now that is all digital from the antenna. 
>> For instance low frequency receive.
>> 
>> 2) Why no transverters for people that want to have 1 radio does all and no 
>> extra hardware in the shack.
>> 
>> 3) Why no 473 khz band?
>> 
>> Not dinging Flex for anything, as the new radios are a step in the right 
>> direction for one that has RF ingress and appreciating having a PC be just 
>> right or nothing works right. I understand all of this, as I am still 
>> dealing with some of these issues.
>> 
>> I wanted to do a presentation on what it took to configure the radio and the 
>> computer, but there are so many steps that I have decided not to do it.
>> 
>> What I will say is that the people at Flex are #1 in my book. The fellow 
>> Flexers are also #1 in my book. If it was not for the helpful staff at Flex, 
>> Neil Campbell and other fellow Flexers, I would be still be off the air with 
>> the Flex. Is it perfect now...NO! Is it a workable game plan....Yes!
>> 
>> I look at Flex Radios as high performance high horsepower engines. Once you 
>> get them dialed-in, they work extremely well. It just takes some effort to 
>> get them there. It is like the high performance antenna that you and I both 
>> share.
>> 
>> Dial them in, they work great...it just takes some effort.
>> 
>> In my honest opinion, they are not plug and play appliances and should not 
>> be. Is SDR for everyone? No! I personally believe that Flex radios are for 
>> the technically-inclined of the hobby.
>> 
>> Someday I hope to take my Flex to field day, but a 5000a is not that 
>> portable.
>> 
>> My 10 cent opinion.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Robert
>> KB6QXM
>> "Ham Radio Open Conversation"
>> Yahoo group owner/moderator
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Scott Myers" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios
>> Date: Fri, May 25, 2012 6:21 am
>> 
>> 
>> A couple other things that are annoyances if you have been a Flexer for a
>> while, as most of us have.
>> 
>> -No more issues with firewire.  Sometimes, the Firewire interface can flake
>> out, causing a reboot of the Flex to be necessary, as well as disconnecting
>> the firewire cable.  Also, the occasional problem with RFI in the firewire
>> for those running QRO.  Many lesser motherboards have an iffy firewire
>> onboard, forcing us to install another more robust firewire card with TI
>> chipset.
>> 
>> -DPC latency.  Requirement of a relatively high end motherboard in your PC
>> to insure your bus is bulletproof for bus clocking.  No more worrying about
>> DPC latency when you replace your PC.  No more making sure a laptop is "just
>> so" when you want to run your Flex on field day.  Run it on a netbook if you
>> want with a 6000.
>> 
>> Guys that have "abandoned" their flexes after a short time usually do so due
>> to the problems with their computer not having low DPC latency or firewire
>> issues.  And a lot of guys never buy Flex's because they have read and know
>> about these potential problems with computers married to a Flex.  It’s a
>> black eye that should go away.
>> 
>> A couple other issues that I will be glad are solved.
>> 
>> -Latency.  That is something I won't miss.  Normal mode, safe 1, safe 2...
>> be gone foul beast.
>> 
>> - QSK capable.  No more clackety-clack.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Scott AC8DE
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dan edwards
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 7:34 AM
>> To: [email protected]; Burke Schlott
>> Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios
>> 
>> Burke
>> ( correct me where i miss the mark, guys )  i too have enjoyed my F3k for
>> some time. the new rigs are revolutionary in at least 3 ways, i think.
>> 1. no longer QSD / QSE.  DDC / DUC instead.  gives capability to see more
>> than 192 khz; no more receiver images at 3x F. should be a real treat on MF
>> / LF. and also the capacity to see the entire 10m band on the pan.
>> 
>> 2. in the same way flex solved the soundcard problem by putting it in the
>> rig, the new rigs have DSP processing in the radio. with the FPGA and the TI
>> processor. relieves some of the pc's processing requirements, i think.
>> 
>> 3. the new rig connects to the radio through ethernet instead of firewire.
>> 
>> probably much more than this, but these features alone have ME excited.  It
>> is a VERY clever piece of gear.  73, w5xz, dan
>> 
>> --- On Fri, 5/25/12, Burke Schlott <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Burke Schlott <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:47 AM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have been using a 5K for several years now and am more than satisfied with
>> its performance and features. I have read the preliminary info on the Flex
>> web site and would really like to know just what I could expect in the way
>> of actual performance improvements that I could expect over the 5K. I guess
>> what I am saying is that I would like to see the 6K's performance specs as
>> compared to the 5K similar to what is now available in the product
>> comparason tab on the web site. 
>> 
>> Burke K1BJS 
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