Neal I hope you are hard at work identifying good LAN/ethernet cards. 73 Ed W1PN
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Neal Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > I published a "How to tell if your computer is compatible with Flex > Radios" article on the flexradiowiki and Jim you are 100% correct that its > not specifications, its latency (its an amateur audio workstation). > > I am really excited that this part of the configuration will hopefully be > easier for the newbie. I am sure we will be moving to a different kind of > "applicability" in the area of LAN/ethernet latency, so all of those > motherboards with crappy Realtek ethernet controllers (and yes, thats 99% > of them) will have a good exercise in how well they work in this > environment. > > 73 > Neal > On May 25, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Jim Jannuzzo wrote: > > > > > Robert,I happened into a net presentation on the Flex by a Flexer. > There were about 20 people on the net, including the former FCC ham radio > enforcement guy. The Flexer had time to prepare his presentation in > advance, but I came in cold. He spoke of how he loved the radio, and all > the difficulties and tribulations in setting it up. He spent most of his > discussion speaking of obscure options and VAC, VSP, and third party > software. When I piped in, I was asked how to set up a Flex and PC. I > replied if it was as difficult as the (very nice Flexer) had said, I'd be > using a Yaesu. > > My off the cuff presentation went as follows: To set up a Flex and PC, > you have to test the PC first, not for speed and horsepower, but for > latency. This is true for any 'live' audio program. If the PC isn't > working right then you have to troubleshoot it.Then you plug the radio into > the PC with a good $30 cable, and plug the radio into a power supply. Then > you download and install the software. Then you turn the radio on and > broadcast to the world. Now, when you want to get fancy, you can use the > software options to tune more things than any other radio. You can tune SSB > audio with a built in software audio rack. You can connect third party > software to do digital modes without external cables. > > But the mere existence of options does not dictate that you use them. > If a new user tries to do this right away, he will come away frustrated > and pissed off. Jim KJ2P > >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >> From: [email protected] > >> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:06:45 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios > >> > >> Scott, > >> > >> Here is what I do not understand with the new radios. > >> > >> 1) Why no extended receive range now that is all digital from the > antenna. For instance low frequency receive. > >> > >> 2) Why no transverters for people that want to have 1 radio does all > and no extra hardware in the shack. > >> > >> 3) Why no 473 khz band? > >> > >> Not dinging Flex for anything, as the new radios are a step in the > right direction for one that has RF ingress and appreciating having a PC be > just right or nothing works right. I understand all of this, as I am still > dealing with some of these issues. > >> > >> I wanted to do a presentation on what it took to configure the radio > and the computer, but there are so many steps that I have decided not to do > it. > >> > >> What I will say is that the people at Flex are #1 in my book. The > fellow Flexers are also #1 in my book. If it was not for the helpful staff > at Flex, Neil Campbell and other fellow Flexers, I would be still be off > the air with the Flex. Is it perfect now...NO! Is it a workable game > plan....Yes! > >> > >> I look at Flex Radios as high performance high horsepower engines. Once > you get them dialed-in, they work extremely well. It just takes some effort > to get them there. It is like the high performance antenna that you and I > both share. > >> > >> Dial them in, they work great...it just takes some effort. > >> > >> In my honest opinion, they are not plug and play appliances and should > not be. Is SDR for everyone? No! I personally believe that Flex radios are > for the technically-inclined of the hobby. > >> > >> Someday I hope to take my Flex to field day, but a 5000a is not that > portable. > >> > >> My 10 cent opinion. > >> > >> 73, > >> Robert > >> KB6QXM > >> "Ham Radio Open Conversation" > >> Yahoo group owner/moderator > >> > >> > >> ----- Reply message ----- > >> From: "Scott Myers" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios > >> Date: Fri, May 25, 2012 6:21 am > >> > >> > >> A couple other things that are annoyances if you have been a Flexer for > a > >> while, as most of us have. > >> > >> -No more issues with firewire. Sometimes, the Firewire interface can > flake > >> out, causing a reboot of the Flex to be necessary, as well as > disconnecting > >> the firewire cable. Also, the occasional problem with RFI in the > firewire > >> for those running QRO. Many lesser motherboards have an iffy firewire > >> onboard, forcing us to install another more robust firewire card with TI > >> chipset. > >> > >> -DPC latency. Requirement of a relatively high end motherboard in your > PC > >> to insure your bus is bulletproof for bus clocking. No more worrying > about > >> DPC latency when you replace your PC. No more making sure a laptop is > "just > >> so" when you want to run your Flex on field day. Run it on a netbook > if you > >> want with a 6000. > >> > >> Guys that have "abandoned" their flexes after a short time usually do > so due > >> to the problems with their computer not having low DPC latency or > firewire > >> issues. And a lot of guys never buy Flex's because they have read and > know > >> about these potential problems with computers married to a Flex. It’s a > >> black eye that should go away. > >> > >> A couple other issues that I will be glad are solved. > >> > >> -Latency. That is something I won't miss. Normal mode, safe 1, safe > 2... > >> be gone foul beast. > >> > >> - QSK capable. No more clackety-clack. > >> > >> 73, > >> Scott AC8DE > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dan edwards > >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 7:34 AM > >> To: [email protected]; Burke Schlott > >> Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios > >> > >> Burke > >> ( correct me where i miss the mark, guys ) i too have enjoyed my F3k > for > >> some time. the new rigs are revolutionary in at least 3 ways, i think. > >> 1. no longer QSD / QSE. DDC / DUC instead. gives capability to see > more > >> than 192 khz; no more receiver images at 3x F. should be a real treat > on MF > >> / LF. and also the capacity to see the entire 10m band on the pan. > >> > >> 2. in the same way flex solved the soundcard problem by putting it in > the > >> rig, the new rigs have DSP processing in the radio. with the FPGA and > the TI > >> processor. relieves some of the pc's processing requirements, i think. > >> > >> 3. the new rig connects to the radio through ethernet instead of > firewire. > >> > >> probably much more than this, but these features alone have ME excited. > It > >> is a VERY clever piece of gear. 73, w5xz, dan > >> > >> --- On Fri, 5/25/12, Burke Schlott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> From: Burke Schlott <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [FlexEdge] The New Flex radios > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:47 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> I have been using a 5K for several years now and am more than satisfied > with > >> its performance and features. I have read the preliminary info on the > Flex > >> web site and would really like to know just what I could expect in the > way > >> of actual performance improvements that I could expect over the 5K. I > guess > >> what I am saying is that I would like to see the 6K's performance specs > as > >> compared to the 5K similar to what is now available in the product > >> comparason tab on the web site. > >> > >> Burke K1BJS > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Flexedge mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexedge_flex-radio.biz > >> This is the FlexRadio Systems e-mail Reflector called FlexEdge. 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