doesn't matter Tim
The mouse or shuttle pro wheel control Writelog, not PWSDR.
That's the problem.

Tuning PWSDR via the mouse and then trying to switch mouse focus to Writelog 
or ANY contest/logging program is too slow, and cumbersome.

Focus is the issue in a contest environment.

I could have 10 mice/input devices, but it's hard to control to sets of 
software at the same time.
One has to be control....and it's Writelog or N1MM or DXlabs.

Even with PWSDR on one monitor and Contest program on other.
I can't efficiently move the mouse back and forth to fine tune off frequency 
replies or qsy faster enough for contest rate efficiency.
Mousing to the PWSDR vfo display, selecting the proper digit and adjusting 
is FAR TOO SLOW to work in a contest.
Trying to adjust the panadaptor, is far to INACCURATE to work in a contest.

Tune Steps work, just need a couple more choices.
While I can't tell the difference by ear.
I can tell if the station is FSK or AFSK, AFSK is a tad wider on the scope.
I have the scope set for 200Hz, that way if it's AFSK, it' on the mark space 
lines.
If it's FSK, it's just inside the lines.
Both will print
But if either of the mark or space lines are outside the lines, and the 
station is WEAK, then I need to fine tune.

Now if PWSDR has a FAST AFC system, I could use my two vfo to full 
advantage.
Transmit on vfo b and let PWSDR adjust receive frequency via AFC.
That would be a fantastic solution.!!!!!!
And to take that one step father....Have the FAST AFC also be a 
'voter/comparator like we have in public service communications where it 
picks the 'best' signal, not necessarily the loudest signal. LOL LOL
That would run my 'rate' through the roof.





Hence my system of letting PWSDR sit there...and take all it's band/mode/ 
fine tuning commands from Writelog....where all the action is.
Using a mouse and Shuttle at the same time.
Shuttle buttons programmed for all the contest F keys, buffers etc. and 
mouse to 'grab' exchanges and fine tune.

As I first stated, the only problem with this, is the not ready for prime 
time tuning steps, not enough of them!
They should be users definable...
That way I could pick the best choice for my hand/eye choice dependent on 
the mode I'm contesting in.
small tune steps for cw, larger for rtty, and obviously bigger for phone.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Ellison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "flexRadio List" 
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Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Tune steps


How about a mouse with a wheel that doesn't utilize detents?



-Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:49 PM
To: flexRadio List
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps

Hmmmmmm
I wonder about this.
I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'.

My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I need to 
turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the mark/space 
bars in the display, the mark appears to be.

I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I need.
It's just reaction.
I'm usually pretty close.
The problem is 'timing'.
I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal before I miss 
the callsign.
If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat.
If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there first and 
finishes.

As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING!

When I cq, I use this technique. I cq on vfob.
but I receive and tune in responding stations on vfoa That way MY frequency 
never changes.
but I still have to compensate for responders who are off that smidgin that 
results in no print.
Software AFC helps, but is not foolproof, so I resort to mouse wheel, 
Shuttle center dial, or Navigator.
(It aids arthritic fingers to have multiple devices)

As I said, 1 or 5khz tunesteps are way to slow, 10 is just a tad too slow 
50khz is too fast.

User defined tune steps are my hoped for choice.
A auto adjust mark/space AFC for digital would be great also. But may not be 
fast enough.
My, and the other stations, ears are good enough for slight off frequency 
replies in cw, but not for digital.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps


>> Please add more Tune Steps.
>
> I would go one step further: please add acceleration to the tuning.
> Tuning faster, i.e. spinning the knob or wheel, increases the step
> size but when tuning slowly the step size reduces to 10Hz or even 1Hz.
> That way we wouldn't have to mess with tuning step size.
>
> As for step size, we live in an logarithmic world. Ever wonder why
> attenuators go in a 1x, 2x, 5x, 10x sequence? Think about it for
> tuning steps.
>
> Brian Lloyd
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