On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:36:13 -0400, 
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Arnt Karlsen writes:
> 
>  > > To take a different example, if I could show that more people die
>  > > every year from falling off chairs than from high-altitude
>  > > mountain climbing without oxygen, would that prove that sitting
>  > > on a chair is more dangerous?
>  > 
>  > ..reminds me of the safest mode of human transportation counting
>  > passenger mileage: babies crawling on the floor is a close 2'nd,
>  > _despite_ the Hindenburg.  ;-)
> 
> Even though this is off-topic, I'll continue just a bit further with
> some fun but totally unconfirmed numbers I've heard, since they're
> probably of general interest.
> 
> First, while flying on a scheduled air carrier is much safer than
> driving per passenger mile, flying with a private pilot is seven times
> more dangerous than driving -- in other words, it's roughly comparable
> to riding a motorcycle.
 
..huh?  Considering the risks involved in pushing a system made for 
man-and-horse traffic into todays roads, with _all_ that _wide_ open 
space up there?

> Gender equality does not rule in private flying.  While a male driver
> is only about twice as likely as a female driver to get into a fatal
> car accident, a male private pilot is eight times more likely as a
> female private pilot to get into a fatal plane accident.  That
> suggests that you're safer per mile flying in a small plane with a
> female private pilot than you are driving in a car with a man. 

..that, I can believe.

> It also suggests that flying accidents are much more under the pilot's
> control than driving accidents, since the gender gap is so much
> larger.

..the ladies tend to close that gap on the seriousness on themselves, 
the tend to get more seriously hurt _when_ they get hurt, the belief 
is the females are less selfish and more caring about other people.

> Some day I'll do the proper research to see if the numbers I've heard
> are accurate.  We know that it's young male drivers who cause the most
> car accidents, but many private pilots are older, so it's unlikely
> just to be the young-buck thing.  My guess is that (on average) men
> just have a harder time admitting they're wrong than women do.  Fatal
> plane accidents can happen gradually, as the result of a long chain of
> bad decisions and other problems -- there are often many points where
> the pilot could have saved him or herself by turning back, waiting a
> couple of hours for better weather, choosing a different altitude or
> route, making an extra fuel stop, etc.  Maybe women as a group are
> just better at doing that kind of thing.

..yeah, I learned to respect those snowed over triangular signs in 
Sweden, a _vastly_ different traffic culture, tradition and policy 
from Norway.  On entering Sweden, I was lulled into the belief 
"Bah, they're paranoid.", as "nothing ever happened" on the signs 
I saw and read and not.  So I the 900 hour driver, _relaxed_.  ;-)

..ever seen those rally cross drivers do turns on TV?  Mix in 
the Quake-III feeling and you appreciate how I got past that snow 
clearing truck that took up 3/4 of that wee railroad crossing 
bridge I was _kicked_ over.

..the second time was easy, the road just fell off down to the left, 
where some Swedes filled up the bend trying to help another idiot: 
"hummm, lessee, braking was useless, climb up the bank, bleed off 
the speed, then drop back down.".  My GF was _not_ amused.  ;-)

..we do support emergency landings outside runways?

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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