Hi, ..my apologies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the FlightGear top-mix posts fw'd and cc'd to you, FlightGear strives to be multi-platform. ;o)
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:02:06 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:37:18 -0500, Matthew wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Unfortunately, the GPL doesn't account for emotion. For those who > > have met RMS, interpersonal relationships don't really fit... > > Certain rights are gained, others are given up. > > > > The best we can hope for is that they are interested in being a part > > of a community, the worst we should expect is that they add no value > > and sell it as a package. > > ..in this case I think we have an excellent opportunity to stand up > for the GPL by "enforcing it", copyright law and criminal law. ;o) ..FG is still GPLv2? That means these people will need _explicit_ permission from _each_ copyright owner, _if_ there has been _any_ violation of the license. ..absent such explicit permission from _any_ copyright owner, his or her no longer permitted code must be removed, and the vendor's binaries must be recompiled to exclude that forbidden code. ..the GPLv3 is a bit more lenient right there, ;o) the bad guys are forgiven under the GPLv3 once they become _good_ guys by _complying_. ;o) ..fwiw, I ran wget -m -l0 http://idbproductions.com/catalog/ too: ;o) FINISHED --2008-11-21 07:09:33-- Downloaded: 4624 files, 169M in 52m 37s (54.7 KB/s) > > I don't believe that FG I structured in a way to be able to receive > > funds as an organization, and consequently we can only hope that > > they will be a good community member and sponsor and assist where > > they can. > > > > If people want me to slueth around and find some more info and > > ..by all means go ahead. ;o) > > > possibly reach out, please advise. ..me, I find this rather instructive: ;o) http://gpl-violations.org/faq/legal-faq.html > ..here I'd like the copyright owners to weigh in, me, I recommend > hiring a lawyer for this job, to make sure we get it _right_. ;o) > > ..given http://www.idbproductions.com/Products/ and > http://idbproductions.com/catalog/ this is _not_ just us, so I'd > have Harald Welte and the guys at http://gpl-violations.org/ > weigh in with advice on how to proceed. I cc this there. > > ..playing with dig, jwhois and a web browser and the > names I find, it's _amazing_ how I get thrown back to: > http://idbproductions.com/catalog/ ;o) > > > Regards... Matthew > > > > > > On 11/20/08, Tatsuhiro Nishioka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > For clarifying my position, I don't care if they sell flightfear. > > > But I do care if that affects our project in either technically or > > > emotionally. According to some threads or posts in the list and > > > the forum, it seems that many developers and users do not like the > > > current situation. > > > > > > I guess the problem is they don't make any communication with us > > > including contribution. I do welcome some third parties sell > > > flightgear if they are friendly and hopefully make a contribution. > > > Needless to say they need to observe the GPL thingies. > > > > > > You can pack everything into either DVD or thumb drive and sell it > > > as long as it doesn't brake any legal issue. > > > > > > But... For me it's more on human relation issue. As long as they > > > are friendly and actively open to us, then we can collaborate and > > > make flightfear better from both open source and bussiness > > > aspects. > > > > > > I think there is still much room in improving the usability, > > > functionality, and quality of flightgear. If marchants can collect > > > such needs and give some offers and feedback (preferably in > > > implementation, but just an idea is OK) to flightgear community, > > > that'll be super good. > > > > > > Look forward to seeing reply from them, > > > > > > Tat > > > > > > p.s. > > > Sorry for full quote. I'm writing on iPhone. this fun tool is > > > missing copy-past and cut-paste things. > > > > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:16 AM, "Matthew Tippett" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> One thing to be *very* careful of is assuming that flightgear has > > >> some absolute right to control what happens downstream. If this > > >> company is honoring it's responsibilities under the GPL, there is > > >> nothing that the FG community can do to prevent it happening. > > >> > > >> The GPL enshrines those rights to the recipient, and by extension > > >> you give up the right of control as an author when you allow code > > >> to be distributed under the GPL. > > >> > > >> The main thing that the GPL prevents is 'flightsimpro' creating a > > >> flightsim that has unique features and linking it into the the > > >> main binary and preventing the release of that. But if the > > >> developer is keeping their stuff separate (say an advanced-clean > > >> room implementation of terrasync using different scenery, or a > > >> bridge to a different flight sim network), again they have done > > >> nothing wrong by the GPL (distribution of aggregations is a > > >> confusing area). > > >> > > >> Contact with this company would clarify most of this quickly. > > >> > > >> (A parasite isn't always violating the GPL - a lot of X and > > >> kernel developers call Ubuntu a parasite since they don't > > >> contribute a proportional amount upstream.) > > >> > > >> Regards... Matthew > > >> > > >> > > >> On 11/20/08, Stuart Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> wrote: > > >>> --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Curtis Olson wrote: > > >>>> Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into > > >>>> the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link > > >>>> here to get some more eyes on it. > > >>>> > > >>>> http://flight-aviator.com/ > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> One way to discourage this sort of thing would be to include > > >>> "www.flightgear.org" prominently in the startup screens, in the > > >>> same way that we include "initializing sub-systems", > > >>> "initializing scenery". > > >>> > > >>> Possibly with an added message along the lines of "Welcome to > > >>> FlightGear, > > >>> the free open source flight simulator." > > >>> > > >>> That would force the rip-off merchants to at least compile the > > >>> code, rather than simply replacing some .pngs! > > >>> > > >>> -Stuart > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- > > >>> --- > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move > > >>> Developer's challenge > > >>> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win > > >>> great > > >>> prizes > > >>> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere > > >>> in the world > > >>> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Flightgear-devel mailing list > > >>> Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > >> > > >> --- > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move > > >> Developer's challenge > > >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win > > >> great prizes > > >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > > >> the world > > >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Flightgear-devel mailing list > > >> Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > > > challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin > > > SDK & win great prizes > > > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > > > the world > > > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > > _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel > > > mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > > > > > > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... 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