On 12/20/2008 10:39 PM, Ron Jensen wrote:

> Here is a dynamometer test report of an engine intended for use in an
> aircraft:
> http://members.cox.net/alg3/Dynamometer%20test%20report.htm

Ah, good, that's useful data.

> Please note especially the RPM v. Manifold Pressure chart at the end:
> http://members.cox.net/alg3/Dynamometer%20test%20report_files/image005.jpg

 > The shape of this curve is the reverse of the curves you've postulated
> in your figure 3.  It also remains above 28 inHg to nearly 5000 RPM.
> Your proposed model appears unable to duplicate this feat, as your full
> throttle line is below 0.94 (28 inHg / 29.92 inHg) MAP by 0.07 RPM.

Then you may like these MAP (and power) curves better:
  http://www.av8n.com/fly/engine.htm
The MAP curves stay higher longer ... and they are even concave
down over part of the range, which makes them look more like
the curves at that "alg3" site.

The analysis runs parallel to yesterday's analysis, except
that I used a smarter model of the throttle, namely a
nonlinear "orifice plate" model.  This is more plausible
physics and generates nicer-looking curves IMHO.

> While we're at it, please consider this dyno picture
> http://aagearinc.com/supercharged_na.gif
> Yes, its a motorcycle engine not an aircraft engine, but both function
> according to the same principles and studying one will lead to
> understanding of both.
> The red line is a normally aspirated engine.  You can clearly see the
> power peak and fall off.

OTOH please note the power output at the "alg3" site.  The 
power is a monotone increasing function of revs ... indeed 
a strongly increasing function of revs ... something that 
the physics model has been predicting would happen under 
*some* conditions ... but heretofore has been, ummm, 
unappreciated, to put it politely.


> The blue line is the same engine with boost.  It produces linear power
> to the top of the RPM run because it can breathe.

Let's not pick-and-choose the data.  You can't point to
the alg3 data and say "the" MAP must remain high and
then point to the motorcycle data and say "the" engine
can't breathe.

Feel free to model one *or* the other.  Feel free to switch
from one model to the other, if you switch cleanly.  But
it doesn't make sense to ride both horses at the same time.


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