I want a response from Alan Kay on this thread.  Then I will leave you all 
alone.



On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:16 PM, David Harris wrote:

> What are you on about?  How is this related to FONC?
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, John Pratt <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> What sickness science brings to everyday people!  They cannot even believe in 
> mysterious things, such as the divine, without first thinking it has to show 
> up on a laboratory microscope.
> 
> The petri dish has to exist before the thing will be acknowledged as fitting 
> inside a petri dish.
> 
> "We don't have a petri dish for that.  It cannot exist.  I cannot study it 
> inside of its petri dish."
> 
> "Tell me where its petri dish is first, then I will believe you and we will 
> go study it."
> 
> Mystical things of the past are regarded as superstition, described in terms 
> of theoretical, mechanical concepts.  Automobiles, air planes, and light rail 
> trains are the indicators of supreme accomplishments given to man by this 
> modern science.
> 
> Computers, electronics are never questioned for what they are underneath-- a 
> huge mess of chemical circuits.  Contemptible expediency in its approach to 
> making its own version of warped plastic and silicon clockwork.
> 
> Cram as much as you invent into the smallest space possible, sheath it with 
> cosmetic jewelry cases, and sell it to the world, telling the world it is 
> pure jewelry, inside and out.  When it happens to hit the floor, the lie is 
> exposed-- a mess of soldering, wires, and toxic chemicals.
> 
> Dazzling athletics, to cram this inelegant approach to match the world's 
> demand for novelty and excitement.
> 
> Pack it all into a tiny package.  Call it sheer wizardry and a triumph of 
> modern science.  Its engineers confounded by accusations of philistine 
> circuitry-- "engineering, math, and science works!  our engineering campus 
> buildings are not ugly-- they are utilitarian!  I like math and was good at 
> it in high school."
> 
> If the shoe fits, wear it regardless of whether the shoe is distasteful in 
> appearance on the outside.  Make a distasteful shoe, cover it up with a 
> cosmetic shell.  Where there is a problem, an engineer will solve it.  Make 
> sure that you don't need a solution you want to know about, however.  Just be 
> content that a problem was solved and look the other way when the details are 
> explained of its operation.
> 
> "That'll do the trick."
> 
> I didn't like parabolas because the world cannot be reduced to two, three, or 
> four axes, thank you very much.
> 
> I don't like polynomials because I want to draw the line before I call it a 
> function of the world, saying that the world consists only of deterministic, 
> reductionist functions.  "Oh, then you are just tired of 'discreteness' and 
> you need its polar opposite of discreteness, non-discreteness."
> 
> Such is mathematics and science today.  "Why does no one want to learn math 
> and science anymore??"
> 
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