These are larger issues, rarely brought up anywhere except in places where people don't counter the mainstream. How is it that FONC needs to exist? Because people don't consider things like this.
On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, David Leibs wrote: > Are you sure you don't want a response from me? Are you trying to put Alan in > a petri dish? > -David Leibs > > On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:23 PM, John Pratt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I want a response from Alan Kay on this thread. Then I will leave you all >> alone. >> >> >> >> On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:16 PM, David Harris wrote: >> >>> What are you on about? How is this related to FONC? >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, John Pratt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> What sickness science brings to everyday people! They cannot even believe >>> in mysterious things, such as the divine, without first thinking it has to >>> show up on a laboratory microscope. >>> >>> The petri dish has to exist before the thing will be acknowledged as >>> fitting inside a petri dish. >>> >>> "We don't have a petri dish for that. It cannot exist. I cannot study it >>> inside of its petri dish." >>> >>> "Tell me where its petri dish is first, then I will believe you and we will >>> go study it." >>> >>> Mystical things of the past are regarded as superstition, described in >>> terms of theoretical, mechanical concepts. Automobiles, air planes, and >>> light rail trains are the indicators of supreme accomplishments given to >>> man by this modern science. >>> >>> Computers, electronics are never questioned for what they are underneath-- >>> a huge mess of chemical circuits. Contemptible expediency in its approach >>> to making its own version of warped plastic and silicon clockwork. >>> >>> Cram as much as you invent into the smallest space possible, sheath it with >>> cosmetic jewelry cases, and sell it to the world, telling the world it is >>> pure jewelry, inside and out. When it happens to hit the floor, the lie is >>> exposed-- a mess of soldering, wires, and toxic chemicals. >>> >>> Dazzling athletics, to cram this inelegant approach to match the world's >>> demand for novelty and excitement. >>> >>> Pack it all into a tiny package. Call it sheer wizardry and a triumph of >>> modern science. Its engineers confounded by accusations of philistine >>> circuitry-- "engineering, math, and science works! our engineering campus >>> buildings are not ugly-- they are utilitarian! I like math and was good at >>> it in high school." >>> >>> If the shoe fits, wear it regardless of whether the shoe is distasteful in >>> appearance on the outside. Make a distasteful shoe, cover it up with a >>> cosmetic shell. Where there is a problem, an engineer will solve it. Make >>> sure that you don't need a solution you want to know about, however. Just >>> be content that a problem was solved and look the other way when the >>> details are explained of its operation. >>> >>> "That'll do the trick." >>> >>> I didn't like parabolas because the world cannot be reduced to two, three, >>> or four axes, thank you very much. >>> >>> I don't like polynomials because I want to draw the line before I call it a >>> function of the world, saying that the world consists only of >>> deterministic, reductionist functions. "Oh, then you are just tired of >>> 'discreteness' and you need its polar opposite of discreteness, >>> non-discreteness." >>> >>> Such is mathematics and science today. "Why does no one want to learn math >>> and science anymore??" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fonc mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fonc mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
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