Are you sure you don't want a response from me? Are you trying to put Alan in a 
petri dish?
-David Leibs

On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:23 PM, John Pratt <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> I want a response from Alan Kay on this thread.  Then I will leave you all 
> alone.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:16 PM, David Harris wrote:
> 
>> What are you on about?  How is this related to FONC?
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, John Pratt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What sickness science brings to everyday people!  They cannot even believe 
>> in mysterious things, such as the divine, without first thinking it has to 
>> show up on a laboratory microscope.
>> 
>> The petri dish has to exist before the thing will be acknowledged as fitting 
>> inside a petri dish.
>> 
>> "We don't have a petri dish for that.  It cannot exist.  I cannot study it 
>> inside of its petri dish."
>> 
>> "Tell me where its petri dish is first, then I will believe you and we will 
>> go study it."
>> 
>> Mystical things of the past are regarded as superstition, described in terms 
>> of theoretical, mechanical concepts.  Automobiles, air planes, and light 
>> rail trains are the indicators of supreme accomplishments given to man by 
>> this modern science.
>> 
>> Computers, electronics are never questioned for what they are underneath-- a 
>> huge mess of chemical circuits.  Contemptible expediency in its approach to 
>> making its own version of warped plastic and silicon clockwork.
>> 
>> Cram as much as you invent into the smallest space possible, sheath it with 
>> cosmetic jewelry cases, and sell it to the world, telling the world it is 
>> pure jewelry, inside and out.  When it happens to hit the floor, the lie is 
>> exposed-- a mess of soldering, wires, and toxic chemicals.
>> 
>> Dazzling athletics, to cram this inelegant approach to match the world's 
>> demand for novelty and excitement.
>> 
>> Pack it all into a tiny package.  Call it sheer wizardry and a triumph of 
>> modern science.  Its engineers confounded by accusations of philistine 
>> circuitry-- "engineering, math, and science works!  our engineering campus 
>> buildings are not ugly-- they are utilitarian!  I like math and was good at 
>> it in high school."
>> 
>> If the shoe fits, wear it regardless of whether the shoe is distasteful in 
>> appearance on the outside.  Make a distasteful shoe, cover it up with a 
>> cosmetic shell.  Where there is a problem, an engineer will solve it.  Make 
>> sure that you don't need a solution you want to know about, however.  Just 
>> be content that a problem was solved and look the other way when the details 
>> are explained of its operation.
>> 
>> "That'll do the trick."
>> 
>> I didn't like parabolas because the world cannot be reduced to two, three, 
>> or four axes, thank you very much.
>> 
>> I don't like polynomials because I want to draw the line before I call it a 
>> function of the world, saying that the world consists only of deterministic, 
>> reductionist functions.  "Oh, then you are just tired of 'discreteness' and 
>> you need its polar opposite of discreteness, non-discreteness."
>> 
>> Such is mathematics and science today.  "Why does no one want to learn math 
>> and science anymore??"
>> 
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