Can you resend the design matrix?

On 07/26/2016 11:46 AM, miracle ozzoude wrote:
> Hello Doug,
> Sure. Here are my  new fsgd file and new contrast matrix ( matrix is 
> the same as the old one).
> Best,
> Paul
> GroupDescriptorFile 1
> Title MOT
> Class Group1
> Class Group2
> Variables Age Education Firstscore Secondscore Thirdscore Averagescore
> Input 01053p/fsdir Group1 -0.96 -0.17 1.86 1.97 2.01 2.14
> Input 01054p/fsdir Group1 0.17 0.29 -0.56 -0.40 0.11 -0.26
> Input 01061p/fsdir Group1 -0.05 0.75 -0.70 -0.53 0.17 -0.33
> Input 01062p/fsdir Group1 -1.19 -1.10 -0.56 0.06 0.25 -0.05
> Input 01074p/fsdir Group1 -0.68 -1.10 0.08 0.21 0.48 0.31
> Input 01080p/fsdir Group1 -0.68 1.21 -0.18 0.59 0.40 0.32
> Input 01099p/fsdir Group1 -0.17 0.29 -0.47 0.29 0.48 0.16
> Input 01101p/fsdir Group1 -1.13 -0.63 -0.10 0.88 0.64 0.55
> Input 01102p/fsdir Group1 1.03 0.29 -0.18 0.21  0.56 0.26
> Input 01121p/fsdir Group1 -0.68 1.21 -0.47 -0.10 -0.29 -0.31
> Input 01127p/fsdir Group1 0.34 0.29 -0.76 0.06 0.91 0.18
> Input 01128p/fsdir Group1 -1.08 0.29 1.57 1.97 1.32 1.74
> Input 01130p/fsdir Group1 -1.02 0.29 1.34 0.48 1.01 1.03
> Input 01131p/fsdir Group1 -1.19 -1.10 1.46 1.70 2.01 1.92
> Input 01141p/fsdir Group1 -1.30 -1.56 -0.10 0.14 0.33 0.16
> Input 1044pp/fsdir Group1 0.63 0.29 -0.27 1.33 1.12 0.86
> Input 1053pp/fsdir Group1 0.23 0.29 0.54 0.69 0.75 0.73
> Input 1058pp/fsdir Group1 2.16 -1.56 -1.22 0.21 0.02 -0.30
> Input 1060pp/fsdir Group1 0.91 -1.10 -1.25 -1.09 -0.88 -1.15
> Input 01047p/fsdir Group2 0.57 1.21 0.25 -0.26 -0.41 -0.19
> Input 01075p/fsdir Group2 -1.13 -0.17 0.25 -0.53 -1.11 -0.59
> Input 01077p/fsdir Group2 0.46 0.29 -1.74 -1.83 -1.63 -1.89
> Input 01091p/fsdir Group2 -0.96 0.29 1.57 0.48 0.17 0.73
> Input 01096p/fsdir Group2 -1.3 -2.02 1.34 0.59 0.11 0.67
> Input 01113p/fsdir Group2 0.63 1.21 -0.82 -0.93 -1.11 -1.06
> Input 01124p/fsdir Group2 0.17 1.21 0.85 -0.40 -0.55 -0.11
> Input 01134p/fsdir Group2 1.08 0.29 -0.62 -1.17 -1.11 -1.08
> Input 1004pp/fsdir Group2 0.34 1.67 -0.62 -0.66 -0.88 -0.81
> Input 1040pp/fsdir Group2 1.37 -1.10 -0.33 -1.30 -1.40 -1.16
> Input 1043pp/fsdir Group2 0.51 0.29 1.57 -0.02 -0.51 0.26
> Input 1064pp/fsdir Group2 2.16 -1.56 -1.83 -2.47 -2.14 -2.36
> Input 1067pp/fsdir Group2 0.74 1.21 0.08 -0.18 -0.80 -0.39
>
> New Contrast Matrix
>
> first contrast matrix
>
> 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
> group1 greater than group 2 regressing out age, education, first, 
> second, third and average
>
> second constrast matrix
>
> -1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
> group 2 greater than group 1 regressing out age, education, first, 
> second, third and average
>
> third contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
> group 1 showing increasing correlation with first score compared to 
> group 2
>
> fourth contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
> group2 showing showing increasing correlation with first score 
> compared to group 1
>
> fifth contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5 0 0 0 0
>
> group1 showing showing increasing correlation with second score 
> compared to group 2
>
> sixth contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5 0 0 0 0
>
> group2 showing showing increasing correlation with second score 
> compared to group 1
>
> seventh contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5 0 0
>
> group1 showing showing increasing correlation with third score 
> compared to group 2
>
> eighth contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5 0 0
>
> group2 showing showing increasing correlation with third score 
> compared to group 1
>
> ninety contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5
>
> group1 showing showing increasing correlation with average score 
> compared to group 2
>
> tenth contrast matrix
>
> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5
>
> group2 showing showing increasing correlation with average score 
> compared to group 1
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Greve 
> <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Can you send your new fsgd file and new design matrix?
>
>
>     On 7/24/16 6:06 PM, miracle ozzoude wrote:
>>     Hello Doug or Bruce,
>>     I demeaned and normalize like you suggested but I'm still getting
>>     the same results. I created a new fsgd file using the demeaned
>>     and normalized variables (n = (x-mean)/std(x). Any reason why?
>>     Thank you very much.
>>     Paul
>>
>>     On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Douglas N Greve
>>     <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Try demeaning and normalizing your continuous covariates in
>>         the FSGD file.
>>
>>         On 07/22/2016 06:17 PM, miracle ozzoude wrote:
>>         >
>>         > Hello doug,
>>         >
>>         > while running the mir_glmfit problem, i encountered this
>>         problem “
>>         >
>>         > INFO: DeMeanFlag keyword not found, DeMeaning will NOT be done.
>>         >
>>         > Continuous Variable Means (all subjects)
>>         >
>>         > 0 Age 39.9375 17.3312
>>         >
>>         > 1 Education 15.5625 1.99902
>>         >
>>         > 2 Firstscore 1.03375 0.341785
>>         >
>>         > 3 Secondscore 1.03906 0.370678
>>         >
>>         > 4 Thirdscore 1.13844 0.4768
>>         >
>>         > 5 Averagescore 1.07375 0.364046
>>         >
>>         > Class Means of each Continuous Variable
>>         >
>>         > 1 Group1  35.6316  15.0526   1.0342 1.2111   1.4289   1.2305
>>         >
>>         > 2 Group2  46.2308  16.3077   1.0331 0.7877   0.7138   0.8446
>>         >
>>         > INFO: gd2mtx_method is dods
>>         >
>>         > Reading source surface
>>         >
>>         /Users/paul/Desktop/improvervsdeclinermri/fsaverage/surf/lh.white
>>         >
>>         > Number of vertices 163842
>>         >
>>         > Number of faces    327680
>>         >
>>         > Total area         65416.648438
>>         >
>>         > AvgVtxArea       0.399267
>>         >
>>         > AvgVtxDist       0.721953
>>         >
>>         > StdVtxDist       0.195470
>>         >
>>         > $Id: mri_glmfit.c,v 1.196.2.6 2011/05/05 20:54:25 greve Exp $
>>         >
>>         > cwd /Users/paul/Desktop/improvervsdeclinermri
>>         >
>>         > cmdline mri_glmfit --y lh.new.MOT.thickness.10B.mgh --fsgd
>>         > new.MOT.fsgd dods --C new.firstmatrix.mtx --C
>>         new.secondmatrix.mtx --C
>>         > new.thirdmatrix.mtx --C new.fourthmatrix.mtx --C
>>         new.fifthmatrix.mtx
>>         > --C new.sixthmatrix.mtx --C new.seventhmatrix.mtx --C
>>         > new.eightmatrix.mtx --C new.ninethmatrix.mtx --C
>>         new.tenthmatrix.mtx
>>         > --surf fsaverage lh --cortex --glmdir lh.new.MOT.glmdir
>>         >
>>         > sysname  Darwin
>>         >
>>         > hostname TC-CT-LAB4-iMAC.local
>>         >
>>         > machine  x86_64
>>         >
>>         > user     paul
>>         >
>>         > FixVertexAreaFlag = 1
>>         >
>>         > UseMaskWithSmoothing     1
>>         >
>>         > OneSampleGroupMean 0
>>         >
>>         > y
>>         
>> /Users/paul/Desktop/improvervsdeclinermri/lh.new.MOT.thickness.10B.mgh
>>         >
>>         > logyflag 0
>>         >
>>         > usedti  0
>>         >
>>         > FSGD new.MOT.fsgd
>>         >
>>         > labelmask
>>         >
>>         
>> /Users/paul/Desktop/improvervsdeclinermri/fsaverage/label/lh.cortex.label
>>         >
>>         > maskinv 0
>>         >
>>         > glmdir lh.new.MOT.glmdir
>>         >
>>         > IllCondOK 0
>>         >
>>         > ReScaleX 1
>>         >
>>         > DoFFx 0
>>         >
>>         > Creating output directory lh.new.MOT.glmdir
>>         >
>>         > Loading y from
>>         >
>>         
>> /Users/paul/Desktop/improvervsdeclinermri/lh.new.MOT.thickness.10B.mgh
>>         >
>>         > INFO: gd2mtx_method is dods
>>         >
>>         > Saving design matrix to lh.new.MOT.glmdir/Xg.dat
>>         >
>>         > Normalized matrix condition is 1.27568e+06
>>         >
>>         > Design matrix ------------------
>>         >
>>         > 1.000   0.000   23.000   0.000 15.000   0.000   1.680   0.000
>>         > 1.780   0.000   2.110 0.000   1.860  0.000;
>>         >
>>         >  1.000   0.000   43.000   0.000 16.000   0.000   0.840   0.000
>>         > 0.890   0.000   1.190 0.000   0.970  0.000;
>>         >
>>         >  1.000   0.000   39.000   0.000 17.000   0.000   0.790   0.000
>>         > 0.840   0.000   1.220 0.000   0.950  0.000;
>>         >
>>         >  1.000   0.000   19.000   0.000 13.000   0.000   0.840   0.000
>>         > 1.060   0.000   1.260 0.000   1.050  0.000;
>>         >
>>         >  1.000   0.000   28.000   0.000 13.000   0.000   1.060   0.000
>>         > 1.120   0.000   1.370 0.000   1.180  0.000
>>         >
>>         > …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………...
>>         >
>>         > ERROR: matrix is ill-conditioned or badly scaled, condno =
>>         1.27568e+06
>>         >
>>         > --------------------------------
>>         >
>>         > Possible problem with experimental design:
>>         >
>>         > Check for duplicate entries and/or lack of range of
>>         >
>>         > continuous variables within a class.
>>         >
>>         > If you seek help with this problem, make sure to send:
>>         >
>>         >   1. Your command line:
>>         >
>>         >     mri_glmfit --y lh.new.MOT.thickness.10B.mgh --fsgd
>>         new.MOT.fsgd
>>         > dods --C new.firstmatrix.mtx —C new.secondmatrix.mtx --C
>>         > new.thirdmatrix.mtx --C new.fourthmatrix.mtx --C
>>         new.fifthmatrix.mtx
>>         > --C new.sixthmatrix.mtx --C new.seventhmatrix.mtx --C
>>         > new.eightmatrix.mtx --C new.ninethmatrix.mtx --C
>>         new.tenthmatrix.mtx
>>         > --surf fsaverage lh --cortex --glmdir lh.new.MOT.glmdir
>>         >
>>         >   2. The FSGD file (if using one)
>>         >
>>         >   3. And the design matrix above”
>>         >
>>         > Below are my fsgd file and contrast matrix. I can’t add
>>         DeMeanFlag 1
>>         > because I am using dods and interested in group difference.
>>         Also, none
>>         > of the responses from people with similar error helped me.
>>         I am using
>>         > version 5.1
>>         >
>>         > Thank you very much.
>>         >
>>         > Paul
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > GroupDescriptorFile 1
>>         >
>>         > Title MOT
>>         >
>>         > Class Group1
>>         >
>>         > Class Group2
>>         >
>>         > Variables                       Age  Education       Firstscore
>>         > Secondscore Thirdscore Averagescore
>>         >
>>         > Input 01053p/fsdir Group1       23  15              1.68
>>         > 1.78            2.11       1.86
>>         >
>>         > Input 01054p/fsdir Group1       43  16              0.84
>>         > 0.89            1.19       0.97
>>         >
>>         > Input 01061p/fsdir Group1       39  17              0.79
>>         > 0.84            1.22       0.95
>>         >
>>         > Input 01062p/fsdir Group1       19  13              0.84
>>         > 1.06            1.26       1.05
>>         >
>>         > Input 01074p/fsdir Group1       28  13              1.06
>>         > 1.12            1.37       1.18
>>         >
>>         > Input 01080p/fsdir Group1       28  18              0.97
>>         > 1.26            1.33       1.19
>>         >
>>         > Input 01099p/fsdir Group1       37  16              0.87
>>         > 1.15            1.37       1.13
>>         >
>>         > Input 01101p/fsdir Group1       20  14              1.00
>>         > 1.37            1.45       1.27
>>         >
>>         > Input 01102p/fsdir Group1       58  16              0.97
>>         > 1.12            1.41       1.27
>>         >
>>         > Input 01121p/fsdir Group1       28  18              0.87
>>         > 1.00            1.00       0.96
>>         >
>>         > Input 01127p/fsdir Group1       46  16              0.77
>>         > 1.06            1.58       1.14
>>         >
>>         > Input 01128p/fsdir Group1       21  16              1.58
>>         > 1.78            1.78       1.71
>>         >
>>         > Input 01130p/fsdir Group1       22  16              1.50
>>         > 1.22            1.63       1.45
>>         >
>>         > Input 01131p/fsdir Group1       19  13              1.54
>>         > 1.68            2.11       1.78
>>         >
>>         > Input 01141p/fsdir Group1       17  12              1.00
>>         > 1.09            1.30       1.13
>>         >
>>         > Input 1044pp/fsdir Group1       51  16              0.94
>>         > 1.54            1.68       1.39
>>         >
>>         > Input 1053pp/fsdir Group1       44  16              1.22
>>         > 1.30            1.50       1.34
>>         >
>>         > Input 1058pp/fsdir Group1       78  12              0.61
>>         > 1.12            1.15       0.96
>>         >
>>         > Input 1060pp/fsdir Group1       56  13              0.60
>>         > 0.63            0.71       0.65
>>         >
>>         > Input 01047p/fsdir Group2       50  18              1.12
>>         > 0.94            0.94       1.00
>>         >
>>         > Input 01075p/fsdir Group2       20  15              1.12
>>         > 0.84            0.60       0.85
>>         >
>>         > Input 01077p/fsdir Group2       48  16              0.43
>>         > 0.35            0.35       0.38
>>         >
>>         > Input 01091p/fsdir Group2       23  16              1.58
>>         > 1.22            1.22       1.34
>>         >
>>         > Input 01096p/fsdir Group2       17  17              1.50
>>         > 1.26            1.19       1.32
>>         >
>>         > Input 01113p/fsdir Group2       51  18              0.75
>>         > 0.69            0.60       0.68
>>         >
>>         > Input 01124p/fsdir Group2       43  18              1.33
>>         > 0.89            0.87       1.03
>>         >
>>         > Input 01134p/fsdir Group2       59  16              0.82
>>         > 0.60            0.60       0.67
>>         >
>>         > Input 1004pp/fsdir Group2       46  19              0.82
>>         > 0.79            0.71       0.77
>>         >
>>         > Input 1040pp/fsdir Group2       64  13              0.92
>>         > 0.55            0.46       0.64
>>         >
>>         > Input 1043pp/fsdir Group2       49  16              1.58
>>         > 1.03            0.89       1.17
>>         >
>>         > Input 1064pp/fsdir Group2       78  12              0.40
>>         > 0.11            0.10       0.20
>>         >
>>         > Input 1067pp/fsdir Group2       53  18              1.06
>>         > 0.97            0.75       0.93
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > first contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group1 greater than group 2 regressing out age, education,
>>         first,
>>         > second, third and average
>>         >
>>         > second constrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > -1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group 2 greater than group 1 regressing out age, education,
>>         first,
>>         > second, third and average
>>         >
>>         > third contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5 0 0 0 0 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group 1 showing increasing correlation with first score
>>         compared to
>>         > group 2
>>         >
>>         > fourth contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5 0 0 0 0 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group2 showing showing increasing correlation with first score
>>         > compared to group 1
>>         >
>>         > fifth contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5 0 0 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group1 showing showing increasing correlation with second score
>>         > compared to group 2
>>         >
>>         > sixth contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5 0 0 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group2 showing showing increasing correlation with second score
>>         > compared to group 1
>>         >
>>         > seventh contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group1 showing showing increasing correlation with third score
>>         > compared to group 2
>>         >
>>         > eighth contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5 0 0
>>         >
>>         > group2 showing showing increasing correlation with third score
>>         > compared to group 1
>>         >
>>         > ninety contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 -0.5
>>         >
>>         > group1 showing showing increasing correlation with average
>>         score
>>         > compared to group 2
>>         >
>>         > tenth contrast matrix
>>         >
>>         > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -0.5 0.5
>>         >
>>         > group2 showing showing increasing correlation with average
>>         score
>>         > compared to group 1
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
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