And what is the relation between "Imiscible" and "Irascable"?
I ordered a Manhattan tonight... it disappointed me... do you know
"Brooklyn Cocktail"?
And Nick... I don't know that we've determined "your" drink yet. When
do you return from the swampy hot places that turn to frigid cold places?
- S
Chem 101, Nick. A solution is a liquid into which a solid has
been dissolved. A mixture does not involve dissolution. Whiskey is a
mixture of water, ethyl alcohol, and various aromatic
hydrocarbon volatiles. In order for them to separate, they would have
to be immiscible.
Which obviously, they are not.
And whiskey goes well with some mixers as well: bourbon and good
Schwepps ginger ale, for example. Or bourbon and sweet red Martini &
Rossi.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Nicholas Thompson
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net <mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
SS wrote:
But are you surprised that your bottle of wine, beer, or hard
liquor hasn't seperated before you even get to pour it?
NST REPLIES:
Well I guess I am surprised by that. Whiskey (etc) is just a
mixture of alcohol and water,no? I suspect that there is some
sort of distinction lurking here between a "solution" of something
and a "mixture" of something.
*From:*friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:45 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Nick -
I think Bruce just gave a good calibration on this with his great
description not only of why or why not to breathe Uranium
Hexaflouride (cuz you will have to stand on your head to empty it
from your lungs!) but also the relative density of the gasses in
question.
Try the analogy of mixed drinks. Every good bartender knows that
you put the alcohol into the glass first so that when you add the
water-based stuff (tonic, seltzer, juice, etc.) the two mix
naturally. If you pour the alcohol *over* the watery things, you
risk the alcohol "floating" rather than mixing. We could go into
the implications of low and high "proof" alcohol, etc.
But are you surprised that your bottle of wine, beer, or hard
liquor hasn't seperated before you even get to pour it?
AS I think Doug mentioned, thermal energy alone is a good mixer...
even without the constant stirring of wind and convection...
- Steve
Sorry. Mixed up the weight of N and O. So my question should
have been, Why don't we wake up in a layer of oxygen on still nights?
Which brings us to your question about what would make me expect
that a mixture would separate out into its lighter and heavier
components. You tell me! Other things being equal, don't heavier
things tend to sink when mixed with lighter ones?
N
*From:*friam-boun...@redfish.com
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[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:43 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F
above ambient (at present), and tend to rise before mixing into
the unfortunate nearby environs. And, just in case you were
wondering what the composition of a fart was:
The major components of the flatus, which are odorless, by
percentage are:^[4]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulence#cite_note-3>
§Nitrogen <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen>: 20--90%
§Hydrogen <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen>: 0--50%
§Carbon dioxide <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide>: 10--30%
§Oxygen <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen>: 0--10%
§Methane <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane>: 0--10%
*4. ^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulence#cite_ref-3>*"Human
Digestive System"
<http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-45361/human-digestive-system#294193.hook>.
/Encyclopædia Britannica/. Retrieved 2007-08-22.
--Doug
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org
<mailto:r...@elf.org>> wrote:
Nick --
N2 weighs 28 gm/mole, O2 weighs 32 gm/mole, Ar weighs 40 gm/mole,
CO2 weighs 44 gm/mole, and H2O weighs 18 gm/mole.
Why would anyone expect the lighter components of a mixture to
fall down more than the heavier ones? If anything, you'd expect
the heavier ones to concentrate toward the bottom.
And why would anyone expect a mixture to spontaneously separate
into pure components? That happens in real life like where?
As it happens, CO2 is the heaviest normal component and it does
pool in confined spaces often enough that CO2 alarms are available
in hardware stores. Propane, C3H8, weighs 44 gm/mole and is
notorious for pooling in confined spaces and then exploding, often
in the bilge of a boat and spectacularly.
-- rec --
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Nicholas Thompson
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net <mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>>
wrote:
So, somebody asked me, in my role as a weather nerd, how come
the nitrogen in the atmosphere doesn't all fall to the bottom
on still nights and suffocate us all. I asked the question of
stupid-answers-to-stupid-questions-asked-by-stupid-people.com
<http://stupid-answers-to-stupid-questions-asked-by-stupid-people.com>
and THEY said, well, there's just too much going on. N
molecules and the O molecules are just too busy, what with
convection and windcurrents, and all, to separate, even on
still nights. Now, that business doesn't prevent cold
molecules of Nitrogen and Oxygen to separate from warm ones,
or wet ones (not sure what that means) to separate from dry
ones. I was hoping that somebody on FRIAM could give some sort
of a clue what kind of a mixture AIR is? It is suddenly
seeming kinda special.
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
http://www.cusf.org <http://www.cusf.org/>
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