I've never spent much time studying modal logic. The doxastic logic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxastic_logic>version of faith that I pointed to in the Stanford Encyc of Phil article is a model logic version. Your example sentences are overflowing with modal modifiers. Personally I don't see why I wouldn't agree to the sentences in your example. But as I've said before, we seem to be mixing a number of different senses of "faith." To have faith that P (is true) is different from to have faith that event E will happen.
*-- Russ Abbott* *_____________________________________________* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki <http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/> and the courses I teach *_____________________________________________* On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > If it is true that, > > "Russ believes that his old and broken down motorcycle "can" take him from > A > to B, but he doesn't have faith that it "will"" > > Can it also be true that Russ doubt whether his ... motorcycle can take him > from A to B? Is it the case that, on your understanding, doubt and belief > can exist in a person at the same time with respect to the same > proposition? > > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On > Behalf > Of Sarbajit Roy > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:37 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] faith > > It would take the inverse form > > Faith is absolute acceptance whereas Belief is limited/conditional > acceptance. > > So Russ may have belief in X without having faith in it. > > eg. > "Russ believes that his old and broken down motorcycle "can" take him from > A > to B, but he doesn't have faith that it "will"" > > On 9/24/12, Nicholas Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Russ, > > > > I take your point, but still, I would have a hard time composing a > > sentence of the form, " Russ has faith in X but he doesn't believe in > > it." Can you compose such a sentence for me? > > > > N > > > > > > > > From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On > > Behalf Of Russ Abbott > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 12:42 AM > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] faith > > > > > > > > Nick, > > > > > > > > As I understand your position the words "faith" and "belief" are > synonyms. > > I > > would prefer a definition for "faith" that distinguishes it from > "belief." > > > > > > > > Tory, > > > > > > > > Thanks for you comment on my posts. I'm glad you enjoy them. > > > > > > > > My definition of faith makes use of the notion of the everyday world. > > But I'm not saying that the everyday world is the same for everyone. > > Your everyday world may be different from mine. I'm just saying that > > believing that the world will continue to conform to your sense of > > what the everyday world is like is not faith; it's simple belief. > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > I would take "having faith in something" in the colloquial sense as > > different from "faith" in a religious context, which is what I was > > focusing on. > > > > > > > > > > -- Russ > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Victoria Hughes > > <victo...@toryhughes.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Russ wrote, in part- > > > > > > > > Faith, I would say (in fact I did earlier) > > > > > > > > > > > > is believing something that one wouldn't otherwise believe without faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > Believing that the everyday world is the everyday world > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't seem to me to require faith. > > > > > > > > Russ, with all due respect for the enjoyment I get from your posts, I > > find this suspiciously tautological. > > > > > > > > Who are you to define for the rest of humanity (and other sentient > > life > > forms) what 'the everyday world' incorporates? Numerous 'for instance' > > cases > > can immediately be made here. All you can do is define what you > > believe for yourself. You cannot extrapolate what is defensible for > > others to believe, from your own beliefs. > > > > > > > > And this statement ' Faith is believing something that one wouldn't > > believe without faith'. Hm and hm again. > > > > > > > > Eagleman's new book Incognito > > <http://www.amazon.com/Incognito-Secret-Lives-David-Eagleman/dp/030738 > > 9928/r > > ef=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1348460523&sr=1-1&keywords=incognito+by+ > > david+ > > eagleman> offers fruitful information from recent neuroscience that > > eagleman> may > > interest others on this list. His ultimate sections bring up hard > > questions about legal and ethical issues in the face of the myriad > 'zombie > programs' > > that run most of our behaviour. This looks like - but is not as > > simplistic as - 'yet another pop science book.' > > > > > > > > A review David Eagleman's > > <http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2011/06/david_eaglem > > ans.ht > > ml> "Incognito" - Brainiac > > > > > > > > Tory > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > > at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at > > http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, > unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >
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