Yes, most European countries use a multi-party system and find it acceptable. 
We have too much bureaucracy in Brussels (i.e. in the EU), though. The amount 
of advertising and marketing is also on a tolerable level. In the US the money 
spent for political ads and campaigns is extreme. In China there are no 
campaigns at all. In this sense, Europe may has found a good compromise between 
both extremes.

-J.


Sent from AndroidPaul Paryski <ppary...@aol.com> wrote:Most European countries 
do quite well with a multi-party system, e.g. Germany, England, France, 
Poland).  And a parliamentary or semi-parliamentary system is much more 
responsive to public opinion than a purely presidential system.

cheers, Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net>
To: Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net>; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity 
Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37 am
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System

The 1 & 2 party systems are the only ones avoiding the pitfalls of Arrow's 
Impossibility Theorem.
http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html

But what about 2.5 parties?  By this I mean guys running but with no 
possibility of winning .. the so called third party candidates in the US?

They are often seen as spoilers, by taking away votes from the two possible 
candidates in a 2 party system.

But to the point, No I don't think China's system is the future.  The world 
appears to like multiparty systems, increasingly with "fair voting" tossed in 
with some sort of recursive run-off schemes.

So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe 
has?  Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware 
of Arrow?  Does it avoid grid-lock?

   -- Owen

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:

I watched the party congress in China today and thought what a difference to 
the US election. In the US there was a year long multi billion dollar campaign 
for each party, in China none at all. In the US we have a simple two party 
system, in China a single party system. What do you think? Is China's model the 
future?

-J.



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