Owen,
I didnt follow the following: Oh, and to also challenge Nick in a philosophic conversation wherein he brings his background to the topic and me my naiveté. You are WAY more sophisticated about MOOCKY things than I am. And all I brought to bear was my personal history, in which face to face and peer-to-peer education was pretty important and in which large lectures except for providing flashes of inspiration and a place to dose and smoke didnt do me much good. As for philosophy, the more I read and work with philosophers, the more I realize how little I grasp of it. To qualify as any kind of representative of philosophy, I now see that I would have to read Kant, and I know I am just too old to do that. So, I reject your implication that you an innocent adrift in a complex world of my creation. I do know that I believe in the educative power of irony, and there is something deeply ironic about our discussing the transformative power of MOOOOCKs in higher education in the coffee shop of anAmerican educational institution so ferociously committed to face-to-face education that they put TWO tutors in each seminar. The biographical information that this conversation has revealed has been fascinating to me, and I would like to hear more of it. What about your educational biography? I would love for this conversation to go on. Nick PS, I was going to say, Dont make a MOOCKERY of higher education! But, you notice, I didnt. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:15 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Professors' Big Stage +1. One of them being scottie's which I liked due to being so wide in breadth of "modeling". But the Machine Learning (Coursera Prof Ng) was unbelievable. The way they used MatLab/Octave in guided programming problems was superb, I had never seen that technique before. I'm signed up for the Sandel course because I followed his earlier video sessions and wonder how in the world he's going to do the same thing in a MOOC. Oh, and to also challenge Nick in a philosophic conversation wherein he brings his background to the topic and me my naiveté. -- Owen On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Curt McNamara <curt...@gmail.com> wrote: Just curious - how many of you have actually signed up for and completed a MOOC? If the answer is not yet, then consider jumping onto Scott Pages excellent model thinking course that is just starting. Curt https://www.coursera.org/course/modelthinking On Mar 7, 2013 6:19 PM, "glen" <g...@ropella.name> wrote: I only had 2 years of very large lectures freshman and sophomore years of college. My k12 and the rest of college consisted mostly of your (2), varying degrees of personal relationships with teachers. My (3) was limited because I'm a kook and don't play well with others. But the few peers I did interact with became lifelong teachers to me. I'm still friends with most of them. Frankly, I get very little out of lectures. If it's not interactive and exploratory, it's largely wasted on me. The only reason I survived my 1st two college years was because my high school classes covered much of that material and I was too chicken to try to test out of those classes. There was a horrifying bridge period the second half of my second year in college and much of my third year that tested my resolve. I did very poorly. Then it picked up quite a bit when I started taking classes where thought was valued over testing skills. Nicholas Thompson wrote at 03/07/2013 04:03 PM: > I am curious to know what the folks on this list think an education > consists in. For me, it consisted in > > (1) Many large lectures of which most were stultifying beyond > belief, but of which a few were inspiring. > > (2) A few settings where I made direct contact with professors (or > good TA;s) and was taught how to do stuff and my work was critiqued in > meaningful ways. > > (3) Many, many interactions with very smart peers in which they > taught me and I got to try my ideas out on them. > > > > Was your experience different from that? -- =><= glen e. p. ropella I came up from the ground, i came down from the sky, ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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