In contrast to this one.

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/304867-coulter-trump-would-win-if-only-people-whose-grandparents-born

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:34 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | 
FiveThirtyEight


as is this:

http://election.scholastic.com/vote/

Robert C

On 11/5/16 12:20 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

Somewhat more optimistic, from my point of view:

https://electionbettingodds.com/

Frank

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Phone (505) 670-9918

On Nov 5, 2016 11:42 AM, "Owen Densmore" 
<o...@backspaces.net<mailto:o...@backspaces.net>> wrote:
Interesting 538 info-graphic, which also makes the 65%-35% "chance to win" much 
less secure:

   -- Owen

The winding path to 270 electoral votes

A candidate needs at least 270 electoral votes to clinch the White House. 
Here's where the race stands, with the states ordered by the projected margin 
between the candidates — Clinton’s strongest states are at the top, Trump’s at 
the bottom — and sized by the number of electoral votes they will award.

[Inline image 1]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Nick Thompson 
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net<mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
That is really good, Frank.

Thanks,

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
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From: Friam 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] On Behalf 
Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:06 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
<friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
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FiveThirtyEight


Lesser of two evils?

Posted on Facebook by Ricky Martin

Trump admitting sexual assault. Clinton emails. Trump charity fraud. Clinton 
emails. Trump calls for nuclear proliferation. Clinton emails. Trump calls for 
national stop and frisk. Clinton emails. Trump violates trade embargo with 
Cuba. Clinton emails. Trump sued over Trump U fraud. Clinton emails. Trump 
bribes DA. Clinton emails. Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years. Clinton 
emails. Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with 
Russia. Clinton emails. Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering 
US. Clinton emails. Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in 
debate. Clinton emails. Trump in court for rape of a minor. Clinton emails. 
Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of 
situation in Syria. Clinton emails. Trump penalized for racist housing 
discrimination. Clinton emails. Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times. Clinton 
emails. Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics. 
Clinton emails. Trump slams people for being POWs. Clinton emails. Trump calls 
Mexicans rapists. Clinton emails. Trump questions judge's integrity because of 
parent's heritage. Clinton emails. Trump deletes emails involved in casino 
scandal. Clinton emails. Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane. 
Clinton emails. Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward 
with allegations of abuse. Clinton emails. Trump attacks former Ms America for 
being overweight. Clinton emails. Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am. Clinton 
emails. Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo. Clinton emails. Trump 
calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used. Clinton emails. Trump asks 
why cant we use our nukes if we have them. Clinton emails. Trump calls for 
offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle 
finger. Clinton emails. Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected 
terrorists. Clinton emails. Trump says women should be punished for having 
abortions. Clinton emails. Trump makes fun of disabled people. Clinton emails. 
Trump calls for end of freedom of the press. Clinton emails. Trump calls global 
warming a Chinese hoax. Clinton emails. Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's 
strong leadership. Clinton emails. Trump openly admits to not paying his 
employees during debate. Clinton emails. Trump calls Obama an illegitimate 
non-citizen hundreds of times over 7 years. Clinton emails. Trump uses campaign 
donations to enrich his own businesses. Clinton emails. Trump says laziness is 
an inherent trait in black people. Clinton emails.

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918<tel:%28505%29%20670-9918>

On Nov 4, 2016 5:31 PM, "Nick Thompson" 
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net<mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Oh.  Ok;  I thought you meant Liberals and I could not make that work.  Thanks 
for the clarification.

n

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>

From: Friam 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] On Behalf 
Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 2:21 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
<friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
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Nick --

Just joking that Libertarians (ie libbies) should refuse to take campaign 
funding from the government and refuse to participate in government run 
elections, or they're clearly acting as LINO's (Libertarians In Name Only).  
Sorry, it was an old joke the first time.

-- rec --

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Nick Thompson 
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net<mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Hi Roger,

Perhaps my humor and imagination have been totally destroyed by this election 
(which somebody aptly described as a political dumpster fire), but … I didn’t 
understand your comment,  AND I want to.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>

From: Friam 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] On Behalf 
Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 1:04 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
<friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
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FiveThirtyEight

Aren't the libbies constitutionally required to disdain funding from the 
government?  Seems like they should disdain elections, too, hold out for 
victory by acclamation?

-- rec --


On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:28 PM, ┣glen┫ 
<geprope...@gmail.com<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 11/04/2016 09:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> http://www.slate.com/features/pkremp_forecast/report.html

Very nice presentation.  Thanks, Marcus!

On 11/04/2016 10:46 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> I was going to "scoff" at this number and analysis until I checked MY 
> favorite source and saw what people who were putting their money where their 
> mouths are were saying:
>
> https://tippie.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/

That's only 1 market.  Predictwise (which I may have heard about on this list?) 
aggregates some markets:
http://predictwise.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/PredictWise_November4_ChartPres.png

But, were I to play the market(s), I'd bet on both Clinton and Trump, of 
course, in various amounts.  So, it's not clear whether these markets are 
predictive of the winner so much as they're predictive of strategies for 
benefiting from the winner, who[m]ever it may be.

> Is that chasm recently formed, the FBI's "October Surprise"?   There sure is 
> a lot of volatility!

My hypothesis is that Clinton's drop in the polls is a result of the 
late-comers digging into the subject.  Anyone who has been paying attention to 
Trump and Clinton for more than a month or two, will have already formed their 
opinion.  More emails (or more sex harassment allegations) won't affect that.  
But those who only started really paying attention last month may just now be 
starting to dig in and think about the extent of Clinton's and Trump's foibles 
and qualities.  The falsifying question would be: What % of pollees answered 
prematurely back before October? ... didn't answer "undecided", but were likely 
to change their minds once they started digging?

I'm also fond of PollyVote: https://pollyvote.com/en/ ... though I also forget 
where I learned about that one. [sigh]

> Gary and Jill only need 5% of the vote to get their party's funding and 
> automatic ballot inclusion next round.

It would be great to see the Green party get the funding.  I wouldn't celebrate 
the Libertarians getting it, though.

--
␦glen?

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