If "take out the trash" is a code for "sail my house up to Canada", I want to "take out the trash" too, nudge nudge. But seriously how did this happen? Would this have happened with ranked choice voting?
On Nov 9, 2016 6:57 AM, "Roger Critchlow" <r...@elf.org> wrote: > Welp, just sitting around shaking my head this morning, think I'll take > out the trash. > > -- rec -- > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > >> Marcus - >> >> It would appear that your fears were more founded than I could have >> imagined. >> >> It would also seem that I was standing in the wrong lane staring down the >> headlights (again). >> <schmeeeaarrrrrr!> >> >> Small solace, but I am pretty sure Gary took more Trump votes in every >> case than Jill took Hillary ones, if that is not an oversimplification. If >> there were any spoilers, it was probably in States where Gary split the >> vote on Trump, giving it to Hillary. >> >> To me, there is a paradox in the apparent fact that Populism seems to >> always support or lead to Fascism. And now "here we go!" >> >> <<What I hear pretty exclusively is "I won't vote for them because nobody >> else is voting for them" or maybe even more pointedly "I won't listen to >> them because nobody else is listening to them".>> >> I have been far more afraid of a major regression to our democracy than >> any compulsion to pursue the kind of progressive efforts I would try to >> advance. I don't think my fear was misplaced. I take some comfort that >> I was not alone in this. Kind of like that feeling after 9/11 that minor >> disagreements were silly and irrelevant. Will have to find a way to >> navigate all this. Sigh. >> Marcus >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on >> behalf of Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> <sasm...@swcp.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2016 5:16:56 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind >> Clinton | FiveThirtyEight >> >> >> Glen - >> >> I appreciate the nuance here. >> >> I have been dealing with crypto-fascists all of my life... we have >> discussed the libertarian vs the Libertarian, I have endured the years >> where Lefty political correctness was approaching fascism and I have had to >> endure the Righty style fascism that seems to be hitting a crescendo under >> the rallying cry of that "man-child" running for president. >> >> I isolate myself enough in daily life so as NOT to have to spend too many >> cycles on this constant interpretation, for those who do not have that >> luxury, I understand that this can be deeply painful to the psyche if not >> the soul. >> >> I refer you to the musical observations of the philosophers known as >> "They Might be Giants": >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow-nuHCTA5E >> >> Unfortunately, *I* believe that the language we use in our communication >> deeply informs the language we use to think... and that by adjusting our >> discourse with others can lead us to think (for better or worse) >> differently. I believe that the damage being done to our culture today is >> as much the way our thinking is modified by this presidential race as it is >> the possible outcomes. We are leading ourselves to believe that our only >> two choices are to become a xenophobic, retrograde, bigoted people or to >> continue with a status quo which is clearly not serving many, many people >> very well. >> >> While I don't completely agree with or support Jill and the Greens, I DO >> appreciate the alternative rhetoric they have offered. Her *very* low >> polling indicates to me that either *many* of us really aren't willing to >> think outside of one of the two boxes offered to us, OR, there is something >> specifically wrong with their message that *I* am not getting? >> >> What I hear pretty exclusively is "I won't vote for them because nobody >> else is voting for them" or maybe even more pointedly "I won't listen to >> them because nobody else is listening to them". >> >> - Steve >> >> >> >> On 11/8/16 8:25 AM, ┣glen┫ wrote: >> >> Right. It's not quite right to suggest that switching codes is bimodal or >> bivalent. I think it's more of a spectrum, at least in an informal sense. >> If we were talking about a person trying to communicate a complex idea in a >> non-native language then switching to their native language, that would be >> more bimodal. But I'm talking more about, eg, realizing in the middle of a >> conversation that you're talking to a crypto-fascist who puts up a good >> veneer at first, then reveals their fascism over the course of the >> conversation. When I realize it, I switch, either to something that will >> completely alienate the person, or to language that makes me sound more like >> a fascist, depending on how I feel at the time. >> >> Marcus' idea of a an interpreter vs. languages closer to the bare metal is, >> I think, akin to Nick's idea of imaginary vs. factual. And the gist is >> solid. There's a very high overhead interpreting through many layers of >> abstraction or entertaining imaginary worlds through the suspension of >> disbelief. It's a luxury we can't always afford. But both assume there >> exists a bare metal. I'm a constructivist, for the most part, and believe >> all our languages are interpreted and there really is no such thing as a >> natural, close to the metal, machine code. There are no linguistic or >> cognitive facts, only action facts. And this may be closer to what you're >> trying to say, because that means that we are always interacting through an >> interpreter, albeit sometimes many layers out vs. only a few layers out. >> >> >> >> On 11/07/2016 08:05 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> >> I guess I already feel I have to "code switch" all the time already... I >> have to speak a pidgin of Left/Right/Green/Libertarian/Anarchist just to >> communicate with my friends and colleagues on these matters. I understand >> and agree that in world D, the emergent patois will be much less >> familiar/comfortable than the one I have now and that in world H, it will be >> much more familiar, less abrupt of a change. 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