Got it. You have to buy the chemical, not the sweetener. I think there's plenty for all of us to groom, plenty. T.
============================================ Tom Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) Society of Professional Journalists <http://www.spj.org> *Check out It's The People's Data <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com ============================================ On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > > Tom - > > Sugar is the "fuel" for the symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast > (SCOBY) that metabolizes into mostly acetic acid (vinegar) and alcohol with > small residual amounts of sugar (if you stop the brew early). The > macrobiotics are presumed to keep a healthy/happy gut flora/fauna and keep > the immune system stimulated. > > My experience with my own brew so far is that pure (cane) sugar is > preferred because it is most predictable... I think honey and fruit juices > are *least* preferred because of the unpredictability (from other > yeast/bacteria contamination). I haven't really experimented with my > brewing methods enough to know. Many choose to add Ginger, Honey, Fruit > Juice *after* the brew for enhanced flavor. I prefer mine straight up, it > isn't a bad beer (sans significant alcohol) for me. > > Stevia (as you probably know) is just a hyper-sweet substance that fools > the taste-buds but not the metabolism of humans nor SCOBYs. > > Meanwhile... I applaud your trying to help groom the legislative and > public discourse properties of our fine city as I do those who are trying > to groom the social/consumerist culture away from obviously harmful things > like high-sugar drinks and foodstuffs. > > - Steve > - > > Steve: > Have you looked into Stevia? > http://www.webmd.com/diet/stevia-sugar-substitutes#1-2 > > TJ > > > ============================================ > Tom Johnson > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > 505.577.6482 <(505)%20577-6482>(c) > 505.473.9646 <(505)%20473-9646>(h) > Society of Professional Journalists <http://www.spj.org> > *Check out It's The People's Data > <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* > http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com > ============================================ > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > >> I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall >> (somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without the tax >> on the Reservation from a drive-through window? >> >> Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the *only* >> reliable source of sugar is (as recommended) pure, refined, white sugar, >> then I'll pay the tax (or ask my RMJ seeking friends to pick some bootleg >> white cane sugar up at a dispensary on the Colorado border). >> >> Or maybe I need to understand better why I can't get good results from >> less refined sugars or (OMG!) Honey. Or move on back to probiotics based >> on things I can grow myself (saurkraut, kimchee, kefir, etc.)? >> >> I don't like (Gub'Mint) regulation on principle but it might actually be >> a reductio-ad-absurdum argument against any/all of our myriad "well laid >> plans" brought to us by industry and commerce? >> >> A favorite duality: "A conspiracy theory, or just a good business plan?" >> >> Neo-Retro-Techno-Luddite, >> >> - Steve >> >> On 4/26/17 12:31 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: >> >> I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted the fact >> that the federal government can regulate vehicle mileage, require seat >> belt installation, testing of drugs for public consumption, etc., how come >> it can't regulate sugar (and sodium?) in food and drink? Could it be the >> sugar lobby is stronger than car manufactures and Big Pharma? >> >> TJ >> >> >> ============================================ >> Tom Johnson >> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA >> 505.577.6482 <%28505%29%20577-6482>(c) >> 505.473.9646 <%28505%29%20473-9646>(h) >> Society of Professional Journalists <http://www.spj.org> >> *Check out It's The People's Data >> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* >> http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com >> ============================================ >> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:02 PM, George Duncan <gtdun...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Much as I agree with Tom's analysis and wish for a better process for >>> public policy decision making (hey that was my career at Carnegie Mellon!), >>> the issue here for our own voting is whether we better off if this >>> initiative passes. I vote yes. Indeed I have already voted yes. >>> >>> Also I cannot believe that a win for no will convince people towards >>> quality decision making...but rather that major corporate money must win in >>> the public arena. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> We have a lot of data on whether sin taxes do or don't work. And that >>>> data is colored/interpreted by everyone who sees it, like all data. >>>> >>>> And that brings me to my problem with Tom's argument. We can focus on >>>> this part: >>>> >>>> "Voting on the measure is also a vote for or against good social >>>> science research, good public policy and administration, and full >>>> transparency of the people’s data." >>>> >>>> We've been over and over in several threads (that I'm sure seemed >>>> hijacked by the more linear amongst us) about _induction_ and the validity >>>> or soundness of the predicates it leads to. Way back when I worked at a >>>> healthcare informatics company, "evidence-based" was all the rage. Then a >>>> (small) group of debunkers finally realized and advocated a move from the >>>> concept of "evidence-based" to "science-based" ( >>>> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/). Add >>>> to that that many of my colleagues in the social sciences tout >>>> evidence-based or science-based policy. >>>> >>>> I have some very deep reservations against such, with the same _flavor_ >>>> as my objection to the idea that government should/can be run like a >>>> business. (Part of the rhetoric in favor of Trump.) Government is not, >>>> inherently, a scientific enterprise. It's an _engineering_ enterprise. >>>> And engineers don't really care about reality as it is. They care about >>>> reality as they intend it to be. Sure, good engineers take the intitial >>>> conditions into account. But whether the initial conditions have us on >>>> earth or mars doesn't matter that much. What matters is that we want to >>>> _go_ to Proxima Centauri. >>>> >>>> So, while I agree with the letter of the sentence above, I may disagree >>>> with the implication. >>>> >>>> FWIW, were I still in Santa Fe, I'd vote "yes". >>>> >>>> On 04/26/2017 09:57 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: >>>> > I agree anecdotally residents of NM need help with education and >>>> health. >>>> > I am skeptical a tax on basically fake food,s and treats is a helpful >>>> way >>>> > to do that though. >>>> > Postive programs and tools might help more than yet another tax >>>> possibly >>>> > can. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ☣ glen >>>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>> >>> -- >>> George Duncan >>> Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University >>> georgeduncanart.com >>> See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram >>> Land: (505) 983-6895 <%28505%29%20983-6895> >>> Mobile: (505) 469-4671 <%28505%29%20469-4671> >>> >>> My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and >>> luminous chaos. >>> >>> "Attempt what is not certain. 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