Steve:
Have you looked into Stevia?
http://www.webmd.com/diet/stevia-sugar-substitutes#1-2
TJ
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On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com
<mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:
I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall
(somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without
the tax on the Reservation from a drive-through window?
Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the
*only* reliable source of sugar is (as recommended) pure, refined,
white sugar, then I'll pay the tax (or ask my RMJ seeking friends
to pick some bootleg white cane sugar up at a dispensary on the
Colorado border).
Or maybe I need to understand better why I can't get good results
from less refined sugars or (OMG!) Honey. Or move on back to
probiotics based on things I can grow myself (saurkraut, kimchee,
kefir, etc.)?
I don't like (Gub'Mint) regulation on principle but it might
actually be a reductio-ad-absurdum argument against any/all of our
myriad "well laid plans" brought to us by industry and commerce?
A favorite duality: "A conspiracy theory, or just a good business
plan?"
Neo-Retro-Techno-Luddite,
- Steve
On 4/26/17 12:31 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted
the fact that the federal government can regulate vehicle
mileage, //require seat belt installation, testing of drugs for
public consumption, etc., how come it can't regulate sugar (and
sodium?) in food and drink? Could it be the sugar lobby is
stronger than car manufactures and Big Pharma?
TJ
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On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:02 PM, George Duncan
<gtdun...@gmail.com <mailto:gtdun...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Much as I agree with Tom's analysis and wish for a better
process for public policy decision making (hey that was my
career at Carnegie Mellon!), the issue here for our own
voting is whether we better off if this initiative passes. I
vote yes. Indeed I have already voted yes.
Also I cannot believe that a win for no will convince people
towards quality decision making...but rather that major
corporate money must win in the public arena.
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com
<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We have a lot of data on whether sin taxes do or don't
work. And that data is colored/interpreted by everyone
who sees it, like all data.
And that brings me to my problem with Tom's argument. We
can focus on this part:
"Voting on the measure is also a vote for or against
good social science research, good public policy and
administration, and full transparency of the people’s data."
We've been over and over in several threads (that I'm
sure seemed hijacked by the more linear amongst us) about
_induction_ and the validity or soundness of the
predicates it leads to. Way back when I worked at a
healthcare informatics company, "evidence-based" was all
the rage. Then a (small) group of debunkers finally
realized and advocated a move from the concept of
"evidence-based" to "science-based"
(https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/
<https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/>).
Add to that that many of my colleagues in the social
sciences tout evidence-based or science-based policy.
I have some very deep reservations against such, with the
same _flavor_ as my objection to the idea that government
should/can be run like a business. (Part of the rhetoric
in favor of Trump.) Government is not, inherently, a
scientific enterprise. It's an _engineering_
enterprise. And engineers don't really care about
reality as it is. They care about reality as they intend
it to be. Sure, good engineers take the intitial
conditions into account. But whether the initial
conditions have us on earth or mars doesn't matter that
much. What matters is that we want to _go_ to Proxima
Centauri.
So, while I agree with the letter of the sentence above,
I may disagree with the implication.
FWIW, were I still in Santa Fe, I'd vote "yes".
On 04/26/2017 09:57 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> I agree anecdotally residents of NM need help with
education and health.
> I am skeptical a tax on basically fake food,s and
treats is a helpful way
> to do that though.
> Postive programs and tools might help more than yet
another tax possibly
> can.
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