Steve: Have you looked into Stevia? http://www.webmd.com/diet/stevia-sugar-substitutes#1-2
TJ ============================================ Tom Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) Society of Professional Journalists <http://www.spj.org> *Check out It's The People's Data <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com ============================================ On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall > (somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without the tax > on the Reservation from a drive-through window? > > Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the *only* > reliable source of sugar is (as recommended) pure, refined, white sugar, > then I'll pay the tax (or ask my RMJ seeking friends to pick some bootleg > white cane sugar up at a dispensary on the Colorado border). > > Or maybe I need to understand better why I can't get good results from > less refined sugars or (OMG!) Honey. Or move on back to probiotics based > on things I can grow myself (saurkraut, kimchee, kefir, etc.)? > > I don't like (Gub'Mint) regulation on principle but it might actually be a > reductio-ad-absurdum argument against any/all of our myriad "well laid > plans" brought to us by industry and commerce? > > A favorite duality: "A conspiracy theory, or just a good business plan?" > > Neo-Retro-Techno-Luddite, > > - Steve > > On 4/26/17 12:31 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > > I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted the fact > that the federal government can regulate vehicle mileage, require seat > belt installation, testing of drugs for public consumption, etc., how come > it can't regulate sugar (and sodium?) in food and drink? Could it be the > sugar lobby is stronger than car manufactures and Big Pharma? > > TJ > > > ============================================ > Tom Johnson > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > 505.577.6482 <(505)%20577-6482>(c) > 505.473.9646 <(505)%20473-9646>(h) > Society of Professional Journalists <http://www.spj.org> > *Check out It's The People's Data > <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* > http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com > ============================================ > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:02 PM, George Duncan <gtdun...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Much as I agree with Tom's analysis and wish for a better process for >> public policy decision making (hey that was my career at Carnegie Mellon!), >> the issue here for our own voting is whether we better off if this >> initiative passes. I vote yes. Indeed I have already voted yes. >> >> Also I cannot believe that a win for no will convince people towards >> quality decision making...but rather that major corporate money must win in >> the public arena. >> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> We have a lot of data on whether sin taxes do or don't work. And that >>> data is colored/interpreted by everyone who sees it, like all data. >>> >>> And that brings me to my problem with Tom's argument. We can focus on >>> this part: >>> >>> "Voting on the measure is also a vote for or against good social >>> science research, good public policy and administration, and full >>> transparency of the people’s data." >>> >>> We've been over and over in several threads (that I'm sure seemed >>> hijacked by the more linear amongst us) about _induction_ and the validity >>> or soundness of the predicates it leads to. Way back when I worked at a >>> healthcare informatics company, "evidence-based" was all the rage. Then a >>> (small) group of debunkers finally realized and advocated a move from the >>> concept of "evidence-based" to "science-based" ( >>> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/). Add >>> to that that many of my colleagues in the social sciences tout >>> evidence-based or science-based policy. >>> >>> I have some very deep reservations against such, with the same _flavor_ >>> as my objection to the idea that government should/can be run like a >>> business. (Part of the rhetoric in favor of Trump.) Government is not, >>> inherently, a scientific enterprise. It's an _engineering_ enterprise. >>> And engineers don't really care about reality as it is. They care about >>> reality as they intend it to be. Sure, good engineers take the intitial >>> conditions into account. But whether the initial conditions have us on >>> earth or mars doesn't matter that much. What matters is that we want to >>> _go_ to Proxima Centauri. >>> >>> So, while I agree with the letter of the sentence above, I may disagree >>> with the implication. >>> >>> FWIW, were I still in Santa Fe, I'd vote "yes". >>> >>> On 04/26/2017 09:57 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: >>> > I agree anecdotally residents of NM need help with education and >>> health. >>> > I am skeptical a tax on basically fake food,s and treats is a helpful >>> way >>> > to do that though. >>> > Postive programs and tools might help more than yet another tax >>> possibly >>> > can. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ☣ glen >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> -- >> George Duncan >> Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University >> georgeduncanart.com >> See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram >> Land: (505) 983-6895 <%28505%29%20983-6895> >> Mobile: (505) 469-4671 <%28505%29%20469-4671> >> >> My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and >> luminous chaos. >> >> "Attempt what is not certain. 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