This stimulated a memory. When I was a sophomore at Carnegie Mellon one of my classmates, FM, was one of the most enthusiastic fraternity boys ever. I transferred to Berkeley that year. When I returned to CMU as a graduate student 5 years later he was also a grad student and a florid Hippie. I recently did a search and discovered that he is a prominent member of a folk-dancing group for elders. Some people are like chameleons; I am not being judgmental.
Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Nov 18, 2017 5:44 PM, "Prof David West" <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > I believe Frank is generally right. However,when I was in college in the > late sixties hippies were in full bloom but Maynard G Krebs (Adventures of > Dobie Gillis) was a TV icon and Lord Buckley was on the pop radio. > > dave west > > > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017, at 05:39 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > In my experience, growing up in n the Bay Area, Beatniks had come and gone > before the Hippies emerged. > > Frank > > Frank Wimberly > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > On Nov 18, 2017 11:15 AM, "Steven A Smith" <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > > Glen ☣- > > A Postmodernist trying to Rationalize Postmodernism to Rationalists? > > Actually I found it somewhat interesting... and was (nicely?) put off by > the formatting... the ragged use of bullet points... a "bulleted list of > one" seems very symbolic of my caricature of PoMo aesthetic. > > As for the summary you included here from the presentation: > > Best of Times: > > A) my introduction (informal) to PoMo presented significantly as both > dogmatic and ideological... but that may have been partly projection and > partly the selectivity of what I *recognized as* PoMo. > 2) The "focus on human values" is a tautological statement? PoMo > seems to be centered (to the exclusion of all else) on a subjectivity that > is intrinsically "human" and maybe even more acutely "self" as in > "self-centered"? I'm not trying to say that I don't find the PoMo > perspective useful and even appealing in many ways, but in it's purest > form, it would seem to degenerate to pure narcissism (without judgement of > that)? > c.) Definitely seems to help "expand the mind" in roughly the same > manner that hallucinagens do? I also don't mean that to be acutely > dismissive, but the mechanism seems to be similar to this, and/or maybe > "annealing" with repeated (arbitrary?) randomizing of the smallest elements > with thermal excitation? > IV) This one feels like the most useful (or least challenging?) of his > observations. > > > Worst of Times: > > 0.0 My earliest introduction to PoMo was exclusively (selective > hearing?) used to push shoddy agendas... I observed it being used as a > turd in the punchbowl more than anything. I think I'm (well?) past judging > it by that early introduction, but I think the author cited here is (in > other text) pointing at the abuses of the Alt.Right these days. > II.) I like the allusion to Cargo Cult... and it fits the superficial > approach of PoMo as I apprehend it... elevating correlation (free > association) to the level of causation. Ignoring the implicit > commutativity in the Form/Function duality. I don't mean PoMo is > intrinsically superficial, but rather that it is often invoked in that mode > and perhaps (too) often apprehended that way in an attempt to dismiss it's > confrontational style (nature?). > c.a) 0.0 above exhibited in this way more than not... it was the tool > of self-styled "young Turks" who, in some ways, like the Anarchists of > early c20, recognized that it is easier (and can be more satisfying) to > toss a bomb into things than it is to try to deconstruct/reconstruct > thoughtfully. > Zed ☣) The existential loneliness of PoMo seems to associate it with > Nihilism and may drive the worst aspects of it's presentation in culture? > > > PoMo seems "mature" enough now that it, itself is wanting to be received > seriously (trying to rationalize itself to rationalists?). It's > (unfortunate) association with the Beat culture (my experience growing up > was that the Beats were mostly the over-30 dropout men who were trying to > horn in on the youth culture of the Hippies, especially (surprise!) the > girls) and aspects of the (subsequent) drop-out culture exemplified by the > Merry Pranksters. > > But what comes after/follows-from PoMo? Post-Postmodernism? > MetaModernism? A plenitude of *modernisms (as suggested by the PoMo > aesthetic?) > > From the Wikipedia Post Postmodernism entry: > > *Salient features of postmodernism are normally thought to include the > ironic play with styles, citations and narrative levels,**[6] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism#cite_note-6>** a > metaphysical skepticism or **nihilism > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism>** towards a “**grand narrative > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_narrative>**” of Western culture,**[7] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism#cite_note-7>** a > preference for the virtual at the expense of the real (or more accurately, > a fundamental questioning of what 'the real' constitutes)**[8] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism#cite_note-8>** and a > “waning of affect”**[9] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism#cite_note-9>** on the > part of the subject, who is caught up in the free interplay of virtual, > endlessly reproducible signs inducing a state of consciousness similar to > schizophrenia.**[10] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism#cite_note-10>* > > All I know about PoPoMo I just read in Wikipedia (how non-PoMo of me?) but > recognize some of the ideas and names referenced there. Eric Gan's > PostMillenialism struck me for it's dismissal (judgement?) of PoMo as > "victimary thinking"... a corollary of nihilism? I don't really take > Gan's Generative Anthropology seriously (though it has interesting ideas) > and DO (against my personal convenience) believe in a > postCapitalist/postDemocracy (r)evolution on the cusp of happening (perhaps > even in my lifetime?). > > I also find something interesting in this description of metaModernism > (same source): > > *As examples of the metamodern sensibility Vermeulen and van den Akker > cite the 'informed naivety', 'pragmatic idealism' and 'moderate fanaticism' > of the various cultural responses to, among others, climate change, the > financial crisis, and (geo)political instability.* > > *The prefix 'meta' here refers not to some reflective stance or repeated > rumination, but to Plato's **metaxy > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaxy>**, which intends a movement > between opposite poles as well as beyond.**[25] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism#cite_note-25>* > > > Fire away! > - Sieve > > > > HTML:https://palegreendot.net/rrg_notes/2017/10/09/rrg-reading-notes.html > PDF:https://palegreendot.net/assets/2017-10-09/postmodernism_for_rationalists.pdf > > I appreciated these 2 slides: > > > • Postmodernism at its best > > · Not dogmatic and ideological > · Focuses on human values > · Allows you to approach and understand other subjects and viewpoints > · Acknowledges that the territory might require multiple maps > > • Postmodernism at its worst > > · Used to push shoddy political agendas > · Cargo cult ideology > · Used to rationalize and excuse asocial behavior > · Results in existential loneliness > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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